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Evo write up, 25 years of Type R

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What is Honda Type R? Greatest cars and 25-year history of Honda?s performance brand | Evo
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Thanks for sharing but sick of the fn2 backlash. For me it's an amazing motor

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more ******** about the FN2 from useless journo`s...yes,its not perfect,but its got something about it that knuckle-draggers from the shallow end of the gene pool couldn`t feel even given 2000 years of evo-lution...might print that section off,running out of litter-tray liner...
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They aren't far off the mark with the fn2 in my opinion, it's not that it's a bad car it just doesn't cut it as standard when pressing on. They make a good base but they really need 250bhp a limited slip differential and suspension modifications to come alive.

I know it's not a popular opinion on here and I will no doubt get shot down for voicing it but in my experience it's true.
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They aren't far off the mark with the fn2 in my opinion, it's not that it's a bad car it just doesn't cut it as standard when pressing on. They make a good base but they really need 250bhp a limited slip differential and suspension modifications to come alive.

I know it's not a popular opinion on here and I will no doubt get shot down for voicing it but in my experience it's true.
Nobody should flame you for voicing your own opinion marc,its still(just) a free country,your view is as valid as the next man
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They aren't far off the mark with the fn2 in my opinion, it's not that it's a bad car it just doesn't cut it as standard when pressing on. They make a good base but they really need 250bhp a limited slip differential and suspension modifications to come alive.

I know it's not a popular opinion on here and I will no doubt get shot down for voicing it but in my experience it's true.
i agree with everything you have said apart from the extra power, 200 is enough to keep up with a standard ep3/gti. but suspension is the weakest point, coilovers sort that right out though.
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i agree with everything you have said apart from the extra power, 200 is enough to keep up with a standard ep3/gti. but suspension is the weakest point, coilovers sort that right out though.
The engine and gearbox are on par with the ep3 but the fn2 definitely sounds better. They are definitely capable, I remember getting chased down by a Noble in my old one on some nice B roads and he felt no need to pass me.

Having been passenger in Staffs Deltics old car it certainly benefits from the engine modifications, not necessary to enjoy the car but it felt leaps ahead of my relatively standard example.
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The engine and gearbox are on par with the ep3 but the fn2 definitely sounds better. They are definitely capable, I remember getting chased down by a Noble in my old one on some nice B roads and he felt no need to pass me.

Having been passenger in Staffs Deltics old car it certainly benefits from the engine modifications, not necessary to enjoy the car but it felt leaps ahead of my relatively standard example.
exactly, more power wakes them up but is not essential when pushing hard on twisties if the suspension is upgraded and a diff.
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Preaching to the converted on here!

At the time the FN2 was released it was a variation or a side step for a Type R after the EP3. That was not a popular move when other hot hatches were upping the power outputs.

Even I was disappointed at first as an EP3 owner and fan.

But it did very well in some mag tests and sold well. I got older and now feel both UK CTRs are good options, especially if you are enthusiastic about high revs and the K20. Pros and cons for each, for me the FN2 is still involving enough which is why I and many on here chose it over easy tuning turbo cars.

As these car get rarer I'm sure it will be more appreciated.
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Don't think the FN2 deserves the hate but they certainly feel bloated in standard form and the suspension, especially pre-LSD is laughable on our roads.

Slap the FD2 pump in and it feels and revs miles better, freeing the bottom and top end up.
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The engine was fine in the Fn2 and the steering was good, just difficult to get the power down on any road that wasn't flat.

Agree Muse about the balance shafts, going back to an ep3 again you can feel the difference in the engine.
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Don't think the FN2 deserves the hate but they certainly feel bloated in standard form and the suspension, especially pre-LSD is laughable on our roads.

Slap the FD2 pump in and it feels and revs miles better, freeing the bottom and top end up.
Doesn't this cause vibration issues though? More so than the EP3 engine as surely the crank was weighted with the balance shafts in mind???
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Doesn't this cause vibration issues though? More so than the EP3 engine as surely the crank was weighted with the balance shafts in mind???
I dont think they changed the crank to match the changed oil pump (please correct me if im wrong)....but i do know once you have engine mount inserts and the fd2 pump things get a bit more on the vibrating side....bit once worn in it settles back down
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Doesn't this cause vibration issues though? More so than the EP3 engine as surely the crank was weighted with the balance shafts in mind???
After about 1000 miles and everything's 'broken in' you honestly wouldn't tell the difference minus the ever so slight resonating at 3.7-4k rpm and the idle sound changes slightly. Sounds like a slight misfire / uneven header noise if you now what I mean but may be exhaust dependant.

When first fitting you honestly think "what the f*** have I done" but it's perfectly fine now.
I can definitely see it failing noise and vibration regulations around that 4k rpm but as far as a mod goes it's extremely tame for noise / harshness.

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I dont think they changed the crank to match the changed oil pump (please correct me if im wrong)....but i do know once you have engine mount inserts and the fd2 pump things get a bit more on the vibrating side....bit once worn in it settles back down
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After about 1000 miles and everything's 'broken in' you honestly wouldn't tell the difference minus the ever so slight resonating at 3.7-4k rpm and the idle sound changes slightly. Sounds like a slight misfire / uneven header noise if you now what I mean but may be exhaust dependant.

When first fitting you honestly think "what the f*** have I done" but it's perfectly fine now.
I can definitely see it failing noise and vibration regulations around that 4k rpm but as far as a mod goes it's extremely tame for noise / harshness.
How can it settle in though? Surely once the balance shafts are removed the vibes will continue and not just disappear? Genuinely interested in this BTW and not just trolling.

Would be interesting to know all the EP3/FN2 block differences.
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How can it settle in though? Surely once the balance shafts are removed the vibes will continue and not just disappear? Genuinely interested in this BTW and not just trolling.

Would be interesting to know all the EP3/FN2 block differences.
I thought the exact same mate, TDi did their usual "take it for a spin and see if you're happy" once the work was complete. I nipped round the estate and after Paul saw my reaction he told me not to worry as it'll settle a LOT.

It wasn't really vibrations or noise per se but resonating and the whole car buzzing, mainly from the sump area, you could hear it in the footwell. I took his word for it apprehensively and it took quite a while but it slowly settled.

My uneducated guess would be that it's not the unbalance of the crank that causes the initial vibrations but moreso the pump settling in on the bolts, clearances and engine mounts settling etc.
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I thought the exact same mate, TDi did their usual "take it for a spin and see if you're happy" once the work was complete. I nipped round the estate and after Paul saw my reaction he told me not to worry as it'll settle a LOT.

It wasn't really vibrations or noise per se but resonating and the whole car buzzing, mainly from the sump area, you could hear it in the footwell. I took his word for it apprehensively and it took quite a while but it slowly settled.

My uneducated guess would be that it's not the unbalance of the crank that causes the initial vibrations but moreso the pump settling in on the bolts, clearances and engine mounts settling etc.
Well done a bit more digging. EP3/FN2 share the same pistons/rods/crank/crank pulley/oil chain drive sprocket. So I see nothing wrong with removing the parasitic oil pump.

Crank part number is 13310 PRB A00
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Well done a bit more digging. EP3/FN2 share the same pistons/rods/crank/crank pulley/oil chain drive sprocket. So I see nothing wrong with removing the parasitic oil pump.

Crank part number is 13310 PRB A00
Good to know, likely fitted the balancer shafts to keep the dash from rattling so much then
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Good to know, likely fitted the balancer shafts to keep the dash from rattling so much then
Only thing I can think of it's the chain bedding in that's causing the vibes if you say is, it gets better. The setup is the same as EP3 with the oil pump/balancer swapped and you don't hear EP3 owners whining about vibration.
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