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Donít quite know what to try next with this!?!

Got a stupid problem and am pretty much out of ideas at the moment!

Basically I need to replace both my bottom arms for mot later this year (nov time), I bought the rear bushes as they looked tired (& trying to save myself some money ha ha bloody ha), got the drivers side old bush off, but then found I couldnít get the new one on properly. in trying to do this my inboard joint on my driveshaft has somehow gone tits up and is now loose and knocks as if itís broken/come apart!

Decided to give up on swapping the bushes and so I got complete new bottom arms and a replacement driveshaft, but I cannot for the life of me get the hub but off the old shaft, had a breaker bar with a 4ftíish jack handle on it, car on the ground, handbrake on, car in gear - all that resulted in was me snapping a 1/2Ē drive extension, and still the hub nut wonít budge!!

Problem is now, Iíve run out of money so canít pay Honda or even a local garage what itíd cost to do the work, guessing it needs a decent impact wrench to get the nut off, but just how damned tight are the bloody things!!!

Itís kinda ringing alarm bells with me that itís on so tight that it sheared the end off my extension, and apart from my lack of finances Iím now left with a half knackered car that knocks and shakes if I go much above 30mph, and that was only on a short test run!!

Guess Iím stuffed until I can get the cash to pay someone to do the work cos I canít imagine ANY battery powered impact wrench would have the balls to get the hub nut off with how tight it is!!

Any pearls of wisdom appreciated cos Iím fresh out!!


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Did you open up the outer edge of the hub nut with a screwdriver? Quite often they are pressed in to prevent the hub nut loosening.
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Impressive that it managed to shear an extension!

Have you tried any of the other classic methods:- Penetrating fluid every day / time you walk past in an attempt to free it. Over a few days it could ease it off a little.

After that, It's blow torch time - See if you can get it warm and go from there.

Another one, The classical impact wrench - Stick your burliest wrench on there and give the very end of the lever some persuasive taps with a hammer to see if you can loose the bolt; This is best done with a real, non adjustable spanner. Method works for steam engines all the time!
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No idea, dunno if this helps?

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Iíve been bouncing up n down on the end of the jack handle that was slid over my breaker bar and Iím no whippet!!

Havenít tried constantly soaking it in penetrating oil for days on end as this was my 1st attempt today, donít actually own a blowtorch or gas axe or the like.

Would this have the guts to shift it??

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F153022905877

Might be able to lend one, but I have my reservations that anything battery powered will have the balls tbh, and if itís on that tight - I donít want to be faced with having to replace a busted impact wrench either!


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Might be able to lend one
I was going to suggest that; If you have any friends with a garage / tools you may be able to rag on it with some proper tools for ~1 case of beer or so.


As for heating, How large is the nut approx? If it's only small, and wouldn't take too much to bring to temperature you can grab a cheapo blowtorch; They're about £10 on Amazon, or if it's only small you may get away with jet (blowtorch) lighters like these - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Powerful-Li...torjet+lighter - That's a bit of a jury rig though, so it's probably worth seeing if you can borrow a proper blowtorch.
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How big, takes a 36mm socket so not small by any means!!


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How big, takes a 36mm socket so not small by any means!!

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Donít tempt me, want rid of the feckin car as it is!


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I have read, and must say I have never witnessed but. Someone put a breaker bar on the nut and rested it on the floor, then with the spark plugs disconnected (so engine dosen't fire up) turned the starter motor with the key with the car in gear!!! you obviously have to figure out which is the right gear to have it in to turn the hub the correct way to loosen it and the right way to have the breaker bar resting on the floor to offer the resistance as if you were loosening the nut by hand. Just saying what I heard!!

Personally I wouldn'y even attempt it as if the bar flies off and damages the car then that's another expense. I'd personally go to an independent and get them to do it. it will be cheaper in the long run and you have already experienced the expense of do it yourself.

I hope you get it fixed.
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Well Iíve possibly managed to get hold of a battery impact gun thatís rated to over 300ftlb/900nm that Iím told ďhasnít not been able to shift owt yetĒ so Iíll be giving that a go next!

Canít believe how stupidly tight itís on though!!

Out of interest though can anyone advise what the proper torque figure for the hub nut!??


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Well Iíve possibly managed to get hold of a battery impact gun thatís rated to over 300ftlb/900nm that Iím told ďhasnít not been able to shift owt yetĒ so Iíll be giving that a go next!

Canít believe how stupidly tight itís on though!!

Out of interest though can anyone advise what the proper torque figure for the hub nut!??


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Figures crossed the gun sorts it for you, let us know how you get on. Looking at an impact gun for myself and would be good to see if it works.

Good luck.
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Well the same gun on Screwfix is about £165 without battery or charger and if youíre going to be working on your own cars a lot it might be worth the investment!


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I would suggest call a local tyre company that deal with lorry tyres to come out, they'll have a 3/4 impact wrench that'll do it alternatively you need to cut the nut with a hacksaw but because of lack of space the only way is to drill or grind the nut to release or weaken the side wall so nut will stretch and release the thread I don't recommend heat you'll damage bearings or seals etc.


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The axle nut torque on an ep3 is 134 lb/ft, compare that to 80 lb/ft for a wheel nut you can see how tight that'll be.
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My manual says 181Nm for the driveshaft nut its tight because its probably seized not just tight
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I would suggest call a local tyre company that deal with lorry tyres to come out, they'll have a 3/4 impact wrench that'll do it alternatively you need to cut the nut with a hacksaw but because of lack of space the only way is to drill or grind the nut to release or weaken the side wall so nut will stretch and release the thread I don't recommend heat you'll damage bearings or seals etc.


hope this helps


Yeah, I too wasnít keen on using any heat as I too thought itíll potentially kill the bearings!


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Just a thought, why don't you reassemble the driveshaft inboard joint in situ, had the same prob myself on other cars just be carful to catch any lose parts floating around inside boot or is it mangled now
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I have read, and must say I have never witnessed but. Someone put a breaker bar on the nut and rested it on the floor, then with the spark plugs disconnected (so engine dosen't fire up) turned the starter motor with the key with the car in gear!!! you obviously have to figure out which is the right gear to have it in to turn the hub the correct way to loosen it and the right way to have the breaker bar resting on the floor to offer the resistance as if you were loosening the nut by hand. Just saying what I heard!!

Personally I wouldn'y even attempt it as if the bar flies off and damages the car then that's another expense. I'd personally go to an independent and get them to do it. it will be cheaper in the long run and you have already experienced the expense of do it yourself.

I hope you get it fixed.
Worked for me (out of desperation) way back, to slacken the crank/pulley nut off a 1.9 peugeot diesel when replacing the cam belt (think I used a 36mm a/f ring spanner or similar)
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