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FN2 buying guide

Hi everyone,

Sorry I know this has probably been covered a few times but just after a bit of advice.

I already have Civic 2.2 cdti. Such a practical car. I need to change my car now a 530i for something a bit more... Fun.

Basically I'm sick of being a grown up. I've done some reading and figured I'll be fine with an FN2 and a toddler.

I'm going to see an 09 plate GT with 100k on the clock.

The cars had 3 owners, has a fully stamped history. Body work looks in decent nick.

The things that are putting me off is...

1. Number of owners

2. Boot lid... When I went to see it the boot didn't sit flush, the trader said he'd sort it, probably just the bumpers stops need adjusting. But not sure why they'd be out in the first place. The rear bumper lined up well with quarters so don't think it's been in an accident.

3. Slightly damp in the boot. I've had this on ours annoying but sortable.

4. The car had budget tyres. Called Runway... Never even heard of them.

5. I drove it round the car park, the car didn't have fuel and it was late. The clutch bites really really low. Not sure if this was a sign it's going?
How long do clutches typically ask, possibly a very dumb question.

6. The gearbox was really really tight. Is this normal.

7. Power mirror on drivers side didn't fold. Guess it's the SOD.

8. Driver's door felt like it dropped a tiny bit when opening. No evidence of scraping apart from a few scratches on the striker.

9. The seat bolster is almost worn through. And the gearknob and handbrake gaitor are in terrible condition. Guess thats normal?


The car started and sounded sweet.

So on my list I have...
1. Check for rust at top of windscreen
2. Check history for valve clearances
3. VTEC between 2nd and 3rd.

Is there anything I'm missing?

I know the cars not new but just trying to figure out what I'd need to spend. I prefer mechanically sound to aesthetically perfect.

Any advice would be massively appreciated.


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(1) 3 owners over 9 years wouldnt put me off, thats a change every 3 years, seems reasonable.

(2) You have run an HPI/relative substitute to check its not a write off? If in doubt ask to see the V5 and try to contact the last 2 owners. Or check here to see if its been a member here previously. https://www.civinfo.com/forum/type-r...s-indexed.html

(5) Someone wound the pedal down to avoid the Gen 8 Clutch Pedal Squeek maybe. https://www.civinfo.com/forum/how-gu...point-fn2.html

(6) Gearbox oil change will work wonders. There are Youtube's for the Type R as the forum one of a 2.2 but will be very similar. https://www.civinfo.com/forum/how-gu...il-change.html

(7) Yes SOD

(8) Hinges are bolt on Bolt off IIRC so even if its a worn hinge should be an easy swap.

(9) Yes, but plenty options Skunk Gear knob seems popular and plenty of leather gators on the Bay of E to choose from.

Sub-frame squeak only Type R specific thing that I can think off.

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Legendary answer thank you so much.

I'll deffo try and factor into the price.

You're right about the owners. Think I've just been lucky in the past.

I'm trying to not get blindsided by the how awesome I think the car is. I can't believe how different it is to our 2.2. lol.
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Issue i had with mine after a few months were the stuck calipers so check that.

As said above, most of the other concerns are easy fixes and check if the oil level is good and looks clean.



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Low pedal is normal for poor clutch fluid or clutch is getting tired. I'd factor 400 off the price for a new clutch if I'm honest. Should be getting around due at 100k.

You may get lucky and get away with fluid service and adjusting the pedal, simple enough to DIY.

Factor in new tires into the price too, budgets are a sign the previous owner was either too tight / didn't care / whacked them on to sell or pass an MOT. Usually a red flag for me to check the car over more carefully.
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Def get decent tyres lol! Had budgets on mine which were fitted new when i bought the car and just had pilot sport 4s fitted and the difference has been phenomenal!

Also changing the clutch fluid made a huge difference to my car

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Thanks for all the help everyone.

What tyres are people recommending. I usually stick to Bridgestone, Avon or Uniroyal.
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Thanks for all the help everyone.

What tyres are people recommending. I usually stick to Bridgestone, Avon or Uniroyal.
Heard great things about Goodyear Eagle F1's but personally i think the best tyres are the Michelin Pilot Sport 4.
The grip and handling is amazing!

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Thanks for all your help everyone. Unfortunately someone else has just bought it.

Guess it wasn't meant to be.the search continues. Lol

Just found a bronze one on 59 plate.
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Just found a bronze one on 59 plate.
Bronze CTR's seem to be super rare.
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Thanks for all your help everyone. Unfortunately someone else has just bought it.

Guess it wasn't meant to be.the search continues. Lol

Just found a bronze one on 59 plate.
Ah crap! Deep bronze is a fantastic colour and i have one! How much did it sell for?

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Thanks for all the help everyone.

What tyres are people recommending. I usually stick to Bridgestone, Avon or Uniroyal.
Nothing wrong with your choice but the general opinion on the Forum seems to be Michelin PS4 or Goodyear F1 AS3.
Goodyears are a bit cheaper than Michelin and I have them on my GT with no issues, your money, your choice.
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Michelin PS4 are definitely worth the extra over Goodyear F1 AS3.

I've run both and the difference in grip and ride is very noticeable.

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Hi Everyone,

Its me again. I found another FN2 over the Christmas break. Its from a dealer that sells fairly exotic cars and the dealers got really good reviews. They're only selling as its 'too good to auction'.

Its a 59 plate, Milano Red GT with Nav and upgraded factory wheels (think this means Rage), it's done 85k which I'm ok with. I think its quite a rare spec so hoping it'll hold its value. What would be a good price to pay?

I put a 250 deposit on it to secure it, which I've been told is refundable. I haven't seen pictures as the car is going through prep, although I've been assured that the body work is in great condition. A bit scary, and feel like a tiny bit of a mug, but I got excited, it was Christmas after all.

I've discovered that the cars got an after market air filter (I'm assuming a CAI of some kind), which is now putting me off a little that the car's been 'ragged'. It's had 5 owners which I know is pretty high. I spoke to a few specialists and they have said that they often see high numbers of owners on the Type R as its (1) a bit of an acquired taste and (2) people often use them as a stepping stone to something faster. Would this put any of you guys off?
I'll probably return it to normal once I get my hands on it, as I don't fancy insuring a modded car.

How hardy are the engines, transmissions etc. I just came across a few threads talking about blown engines and lots of noises.

I rang Midland Honda Services and they've said they can do valve clearances for around 150, which I thought was really reasonable. I don't know if they've been done, but I'm thinking not with the number of owners its had. How important is this for durability of the engine?

I'm worried about big bills essentially, got a nipper in nursery and the costs are crippling.
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The k20 is meant to be driven hard. 5 owners is nothing, it's a 9/10 year old car, and 85k is low mileage. Check the paperwork to see what had been done, servicing, fluid changes, clutch, valve clearance etc. Also worth going online to "check mot history" will give a good indication of what the car is like. I bought my old Fn2 when it was 7 years old on 57,000. It came with no paperwork just a stamped service book, so I took a bit of a gamble. The car gave me zero problems in the two years I owned it.
For a 59 plate on 85k I'd guess a price of 4,500 depending on condition.
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Just as a word of advice, when Honda give you a quote, check that VAT is included as I have fallen foul of that before.

I wouldn't worry about the CAI, a lot fit them for the v-tech noise rather than the performance from what I read on forums and FB lol, but a car that is meant to be revved to 8k is built for ragging
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I do my own valve clearance at the cost of a new gasket, around 15. When I had them done at a Honda dealership it cost me 100 as part of the service.
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Clearances should be 100 fixed fee if I remember from their online service costs.

The spec isn't particularly rare so don't let them use that to jack the price up. The rages can be had cheap enough secondhand as they ride hard so people sell / swap for 18" on facebook pages often. The OEM sat nav isn't great and you can fit a better aftermarket solution for circa 300.

85k isn't terrible but it's not "low"; anything below 50k should hold a small premium but again I wouldn't snap their hands off for 85k mileage.

Not trying to pi** on your chips, just heard all the sales tactics many times in the past. Especially as this would be on autotrader for around 4000-5000 tops depending on condition with room to wiggle.
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Great advice everyone thank you for your responses. Deffo feel better about the number of owners and CAI.

I do agree about the Nav, we have it in the 2.2 CDTi. I do quite like having a screen for a reversing camera though, and I do prefer it to navigate music. You are 100% correct though, an aftermarket headunit is a massive improvement.

He's just sent over the service history which looks ok, but not great, but did a quick analysis.
Owner 1? Sept 2010 @ 9,884 (not stamped) will try and verify somehow.
Owner 2? May 2012 @ 28,285 Arnold Clark, Ayr (+18,401 | 20 months)
Owner 2? Mar 2013 @ 40,855 Arnold Clark, Ayr (+12,570 | 10 months)
Owner 2? Mar 2014 @ 56,757 Arnold Clark, Ayr (+15,902 | 12 months)
Owner 3? Aug 2015 @ 76,427 Mangla Motors, Yorkshire (+19,670 | 17 months)
Owner 4? Oct? 2016 @ 77,959 Servicing Stop (+1,532 | 14 months)
Owner 4? Oct 2017 @ 82,230 Servicing Stop (+4,2271 | 12 months)
Owner 5? Oct 2018 @ 84,104 Highfield Motors Yorkshire (+1,874 | 12 months)

I'll validate against the MOT to make sure it all makes sense.


The first service wasn't stamped but he has the paperwork. Frustratingly the paperwork has a private reg on there so very difficult to verify.

The rust on the roof looks quite bad. A friend reckons its 300 to fix, so guess its not the end of the world if I could get the car for 4k.

And excellent point about the 19s. I've been offered a 320d from a friend, but I'm just not in love with it, too grown up for me... I'm trying to have the worlds longest midlife crisis.

Sounds like it'll need a fully service, valve clearances, original intake restored and the rust sorted (probably 600 of work)

I might have a go at doing valve clearances.
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Help! Does anyone know what this is?

The guy said it's a film but worried about MOT
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