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Why does every single bloody car manufacturer have that stupid sloping roof?! Im paying more money for less car, I'm sorry how does that work lol
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Why does every single bloody car manufacturer have that stupid sloping roof?! Im paying more money for less car, I'm sorry how does that work lol
It's called aero dynamics it's all to do with getting better mpg that why a lot of cars look the same they are all singing from the same hymn sheet .
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Even a boxy car such as the Skoda Rapid Spaceback has a sloping roofline for improved aerodynamics. This cars profile reminds me of the mid 90s Vauxhall Astra hatch.






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It's called aero dynamics it's all to do with getting better mpg that why a lot of cars look the same they are all singing from the same hymn sheet .
The real world difference is completely negligible though. Perfect example if the Fabia VRS hot hatch vs the small estate the top speed and MPG are under 1% better.
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The sloping roof and reduced rear headroom is probably main reason I'm not buying a 10g. Seems like basic design.. Sit someone of average height in the back... Does their head hit sloping roof? Yes then change slope....
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I've tested it myself in my own Civic and I didn't hit the roof when sitting normal. I'm 5.9 ft.
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Honda are trying too hard to go after the Golf, which is a shame as the Civic has always been better than it in its own unique way. Bring back the practicality and stay unique Honda!
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Well, they are...except for the magic seats.
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Well, they are...except for the magic seats.
Yes and the magic is in the car now and not in the seats I know which I rather have .
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The look/design of the New Civic compared to the look of the Golf remind me of how the look(and design features) of the 8 gen. Civic when presented imo blew away the conventional 'boxes' that were the competition.
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Well, they are...except for the magic seats.
Too some that's what made the civic so practical though, without them the golf is more spacious, more practical and more refined as its design has hardly changed in recent years.

Like I said, Honda should focus on being unique as they have always done and not go after the German rivals to which it just doesn't belong.
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The look/design of the New Civic compared to the look of the Golf remind me of how the look(and design features) of the 8 gen. Civic when presented imo blew away the conventional 'boxes' that were the competition.
I agree that the Civic still looks better than the Golf, unfortunately it's not all about that in this day and age.
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I agree that the Civic still looks better than the Golf, unfortunately it's not all about that in this day and age.
Good point. What's better about the Golf compared to the Civic ? ( I would think no car model/manufacturer 'dominates' every other make- one is perhaps superior in one respect, another in a different respect)

Also some makers cleverly limit the spec. of a model to give it an attractive price using the badge 'Kudos' to bring the punters in (I'm thinking german makes here). An example, a daughter of my partner's friend recently bought a 1 series bmw 'because she has finally got some road/street respect'.
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Good point. What's better about the Golf compared to the Civic ? ( I would think no car model/manufacturer 'dominates' every other make- one is perhaps superior in one respect, another in a different respect)

Also some makers cleverly limit the spec. of a model to give it an attractive price using the badge 'Kudos' to bring the punters in (I'm thinking german makes here). An example, a daughter of my partner's friend recently bought a 1 series bmw 'because she has finally got some road/street respect'.
I haven't driven the 10th gen civic so I can't comment on whats better etc. I have driven a Golf, 1 series and a 2015 civic which I am looking to purchase. The Germans do offer that all round general refinement that from the moment you sit in the car and start driving, you can quite simply tell they have been put together very well with good quality materials. The sound isolation, the lack of tyre and engine noise, quality dampers, no vibrations through the wheel etc.

Golfs are quite boring cars to look at and are not much better inside, there is nothing exciting about them but yet they are still one of the highest selling cars to date. The reason for this is because they just do what a car is supposed to do and they do it very well (obviously at a slightly higher cost though).

The civic has always been the "peoples car" because whilst it may not have always used the best quality materials or have been put together as well the Germans, they have always had a special feeling to them and offer that very high level of reliability that keeps your mind at rest every day you drive them. You can just tell that no matter how hard you push them they are not going to suddenly blow up on you.

They manage to do all this without the hefty price tag. Problem is that if Honda start to hunt down the likes of Volkswagen, that price tag has got to rise upwards due to the cost in higher quality materials etc. When this happens it stops becoming the peoples car and starts to become another expensive but good quality hatchback which we already have. Also without the magic seats on the 10th gen people start to compare boots and whilst the civic has a large boot, its a lot deeper than the golfs which means it has a large boot lip (harder for dogs to get in and out of), also I'm not sure what model it is but I have seen central exhausts on the 10th gen which means no tow bar. Just a couple of things to think about.

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Can't recall exact details, but some of the german models have come low down in the owner satisfaction surveys. Honda have a good record in reliability and satisfaction surveys (from memory). From a personal point of view I feel far more reasured buying a japanese engineered car than a german and that I'm pretty sure is where I'll be spending my money next. 'Suppose if I thought german was better I'd be interested in buying one of those !

My partner's at the time new 1 series petrol BMW was medioca in every respect except handling where I would say it excelled. Even the missus who knows nothing about cars would mention it seemed noisier/less refined than she would have expected. Minor point but strangely there was no engine oil level dipstick. You had to enter an electronic menu and wait for it to give the reading. Many times the journey was over before that happened. Bit annoying really !
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