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Borrowed a 1,8

When my car was gone for a week, (service and changing the drivers door) i got a loaner for free.
A 1.8 petrol.
The car felt much lighter but the engine was weak compared to my 2,2 d.
The suspension was a little sportier/harder.
The surprise was that you could use 6th gear under 50km/h. No power but probably very economical.
At the end of the day i´m happy with my choice. The diesel got some good power for overtaking our 24 meters trucks here in Sweden.
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I love my 2.2

The 1.8 doesnt seem to have the 'oomf' that the diesel has
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I,m totally with you there, coming from a Saab 2,3 turbo i feel sometimes out of power in my 1,8. Dont get me wrong, it runs smooth and nice and goes good enough for me if thrashed, but sometimes I am missing the middle range power in my Saab. It will be interesting to see the performance of the upcoming turbo engines, so hopefully my next car ia a Civic with turbo and auto gearbox cause I,m very pleased with everything else about the car!
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Question I'd make is, how does the engine feel if you downgear, floor it and let the engine rev up freely?. Of course that the Diesels have more low and mid range grunt, but if you want to get the best of the 1.8, you need to rev it up. I've watched some Youtube vids on the 9G and it seems, also, that it has some long gearing. One vid I watched was a 0-100 kph acceleration and it got to 100 kph in second gear , if I recall correctly. That means that the typical 80-120 kph overtaking should be carried out in third gear, if you want to do a safe and quick enough maneuver .
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I tend to find people who drive diesels kind of forget how to drive the petrol. When my dad's had a go in mine he's said the same, yet he's moved into 3rd by about 25-30mph. I'm like what are you doing? The power in the 1.8 comes when it's really thrashed, whereas the diesel has torque even at low revs. I've driven both and decided on the petrol as it was more fun and better for me mileage wise. I love having to work the engine for all it has, that's what it's about for me.
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Ditto, Schlieb. Diesels certainly allow a more "relaxed" (let's call it that way instead of "lazy" ) driving style, but the refinement of the petrol engine is still well ahead of the oil burners, even though Honda's are really quiet.

Now, you own a 1.8, what do you think of the gearing on it?. Would you call it "long" as it appears to me that it is?.
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Yeah the gearing is long. Superb engine imo. Great economy yet so fun when you want it. 1st and 2nd is addictive
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It's a good compromise tbh, the 5th and 6th are very "long" . Down at the bottom it's punchy though
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I love my 1.8 after having diesel for years would I go back- would I heck as
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Ditto, Schlieb. Diesels certainly allow a more "relaxed" (let's call it that way instead of "lazy" ) driving style, but the refinement of the petrol engine is still well ahead of the oil burners, even though Honda's are really quiet.

Now, you own a 1.8, what do you think of the gearing on it?. Would you call it "long" as it appears to me that it is?.
Ended up with a diesel lease car for about three weeks having never driven a diesel and thats definatly what happens. Noticed it when getting back in the R
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...the refinement of the petrol engine is still well ahead of the oil burners, even though Honda's are really quiet.
I love a nice fast revving petrol engine, but calling them more refined than a modern turbo diesel engine?
Thrashing a petrol engine just below the red line to get some power, is not refined. A diesel turbo engine that gives you more power at a wider rev-range, produces less noise, less emissions, cheaper fuel... now that's refined.

Coming from a 1.6 petrol engine that I loved to drive, I have to say that prefer the 2.2 I-Dtec. No matter how you work that 1.8 liter engine the 2.2 liter will eat it for breakfast, especially on the highway (on the track its different).

Oil burners vs sewing machines!

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Not sure about off the line, don't believe the Honda stats me, I've had lots of 2.2s off the line. Highway the diesel would definitely out do the petrol though.
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Not sure about off the line, don't believe the Honda stats me, I've had lots of 2.2s off the line. Highway the diesel would definitely out do the petrol though.
In what way?
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You mean on the highway? The diesels much more torquey in 5th and 6th
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True, but having owned both, I know which one is more refined and better to drive... Maybe if I'd tried a remapped 2.2 then it probably be a different story...

I liked the sensation of being pushed into my seat with the 2.2 but the novelty soon wears off when you get bored of stirring the gears and being passed by quicker cars.

That's why I went back to the 1.8, much better all round and despite people saying 2.2 is lazy drive, I find the 1.8 much more relaxing.

Btw, when honda developed the 1.6 their aim was to make the driving dynamics as close to the 1.8 as possible... That tells you something ��

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I love my 1.8. Best all round petrol engine I've had, economy is superb.
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I love a nice fast revving petrol engine, but calling them more refined than a modern turbo diesel engine?
Thrashing a petrol engine just below the red line to get some power, is not refined. A diesel turbo engine that gives you more power at a wider rev-range, produces less noise, less emissions, cheaper fuel... now that's refined.

Coming from a 1.6 petrol engine that I loved to drive, I have to say that prefer the 2.2 I-Dtec. No matter how you work that 1.8 liter engine the 2.2 liter will eat it for breakfast, especially on the highway (on the track its different).

Oil burners vs sewing machines!

Unfortunately, the R18 (used in 9G Hatch) and R20 (used in some 9G sedan variants) don't have the VTEC system as used in the K Series engine. (eg. K20 in the CTR or K24
in Accord). It does have VTEC but in the R Series it is utilised for economy rather than performance (and hence misses out on the distinctive VTEC sound at high revs). The K series loves to rev as opposed to the R series which feels little breathless up top (but still smooth in typical Honda fashion). I believe the K20 was axed due to it not meeting Euro 5 standards. The K24 lives on in various Honda models today.


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Hate it when I see people put some sort of vtec sticker on the back of the 1.8 though haha, cringey.
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So if you drive the petrol thrashing it to keep up with the diesel, how does the economy get affected, what mpg do you get? This is my first diesel and I couldn't go back to a petrol engine due to power and economy are so superior in the diesel.
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Honda put a i-vtec sticker on them out of the factory
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