Car: CIV 1.8 ES - i-shift, VIVID
Join Date: 2nd January 2010
Location: Barnsley, Yorks....
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Living with the I-shift....
Have had my i-shift for a couple of months, so decided to finally put fingers to keyboard and describe it...
I'm not going to bother reviewing the car itself (I did this elsewhere - needless to say, I think its awesome!) - this is just about the i-shift and its good and bad points....
1) Its NOT an automatic. Never has been, never will be...
It IS an automated clutch and shift system - had a standard clutch, gearbox and internals (hence, theoretically CAN be modded, so sayeth my tame Honda Tech) - automatics are more complex, relying on fluid pressure and torque transfer (and are a little better at it)
2) It has ruddy awful changes!
This is purely subjective - if you think its an AUTO, then yes, you will be disappointed.. my missus (doesn't drive yet) - didn't think there was anything odd about the car at all... she's never driven an auto... Its not "seamless" like most autos are, there are perceptible changes, just like driving in a manual.... because that is what it really is!!!
There are some issues - there are the RAREST of times where the software behind the changes gets flustered - one of the so called "brown trouser moments" - you need power, but it changes into 2nd or 3rd before jolting back down again... tip... if wary, USE MANUAL! - I've had to do this a couple time - put foot down.. no response... flick down... tap back into auto... fine!
3) GET THE UPDATES!
Really DOES make a difference! - keener downshifts, nicer upshifts. Just seems a load better in my opinion. Flawless in manual mode (I use the stick for more press on driving, especially in the backwaters of Lincoln!)
4) Isn't it supposed to learn your driving style?
Yes. If you have the updates, it has both "static learning" and "dynamic learning" - no, neither me nor the Honda Tech know what exactly this is, but I guess its little things like when to change down a gear when going up a steep hill (Grade Logic Honda seem to call it) - If you don't have the updates, seems that your car won't have this function enabled, despite it being built in.... people may argue it DOESNT learn, but I've seen info to back up the opposite. Each to their own I guess...
5) What about in snow, or slippery conditions?
Flick into 2nd, and gently apply gas... I have had no problem with this as such....as the torque is up in the stratosphere, the engine shouldn't get the better of the wheels (unless you hammer it)
6) Do I need to back off to change up?
Not really, but I find that when setting off, anything up to 14mph then into 2nd is smoother than other speeds... could be just me, but I rarely get that jolt... I always back off a little when the car is very cold, at least for the first few miles or so... seems to do the trick. Works with all gears, but you DONT need to worry about changing down... the car does that for you (and is eerie in how it does it - perfect revs every time!)
To sum up:
I have no problem with the car... patience and skill will reward.... There are issues and quirks, but like anything, you can get round them... most of the time, they don't manifest themselves, and everything behaves nicely... I do large mileages on a random basis, have had no problem and actually enjoy the benefit of not having to stir up the cogs myself (blatting little paddles is more fun for me)
I really cannot stress how important the software upgrades are, it really makes a hell of a difference, many people have already commented on this, and have been surprised when its been done... it won't be perfect, even VAG's DSG system is not perfect (tho is the de facto standard)
Hope this helps... any more queries, pass em along!