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Unhappy Caliper Piston Dust Seal

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Yesterday took my car to get new pads and discs fitted to the rear and they showed me damage to piston dust seals on both near and off side rears.





The car is a 13 plate but has only done 25,500 miles.

The garage said there should not be damage like this on such a (relatively) low mileage car.

They said I should take the car and photographs back to a main dealer and enquire if there has been any recalls on these parts as clearly something is not right....

Is this worth it?
Has anyone heard of Honda repairing this damage free of charge as the car is now only just out of warranty?

If I don't get this fixed what is likely to happen in the short and medium term? I'm likely to get rid of the car within the next 2-3 years.

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its a dust seal so its there to stop dirt building up on the piston
short term probably nothing but the longer you leave it the more likely you are for dirt to build up causing corrosion and in turn sticking piston in the caliper
have you had the car from new ? if so who has done the servicing as this might have been caused by someone being too rough during routine service
the rear callipers need to be screwed back in using a wind back tool maybe somone has tried to use a screwdriver or similar and tore the dust seal
if you contact honda first thing theyll ask for is service history
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I agree, the seals shouldn't be torn already. However at 13k the pads will not have been changed till now. So I wonder if the garage ripped the seals and are trying to shift the blame?

I see the piston is extended but maybe they damaged the seal when retracting the piston. Then extended it to show the damage and try to prove it was already there?

The piston retraction tools can twist/rotate the piston and incorrect use would have ruffled and torn the seal.

Is the garage that tried to change the pads well respected?

I hope you get this sorted.
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if it was the garage in question they might have just done the job and said nothing
if you take close up look the tare at the front looks clean and the 1 at the back looks older ?
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The garage was Formula One Autocentre in Cheltenham.

They showed me the damage and said they had n't wound the piston back yet as they wanted to show me the damage first, I guess all I can do is believe them.

I bought the car from a main dealer when it was about 6 months old with 2,500 on the clock and I've only had one service done on it so far when I had put a further 12,000 on the clock, it will be due another service in the next few months. I use an independent garage which I've used for years.

Very annoying as I can't see Honda agreeing to fix the issue as I've not got enough evidence to prove it's a manufacturing or build defect...

If dust does get in and the piston starts to stick in the caliper will I get some brake feedback to know this is happening and will this cause damage to the piston or just the caliper?

Damn annoying that the seal can't just be replaced without replacing the whole caliper I'm guessing I'm looking at an expensive bill !
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Unfortunately the seal needs fixing as leaving it will lead to corrosion, poor brakes and a eventually completely new caliper.

You can source a seal repair kit now, the caliper will need stripping down.
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Unfortunately the seal needs fixing as leaving it will lead to corrosion, poor brakes and a eventually completely new caliper.

You can source a seal repair kit now, the caliper will need stripping down.
Hi, thanks for reply.

So the seal can be repaired?

I was under the impression that with the split the ONLY option open to me was replacing the caliper?

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Yes, check the contents of a caliper repair kit.
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Yes, check the contents of a caliper repair kit.
Thanks, I've mailed the main dealer with all the information and await their reply.
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Don't worry buddy it's a relatively simple job to fix with the repair kit. It's easier if you completely remove the caliper and sit with it at a table, but to do this you will need a set of locking pliers to clamp on the brake line to prevent all your brake fluid giving you the slip

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Good Morning



Thank you for your email.



There are no outstanding recalls on your car.



Looking at the images and seeing the damage to the piston covers I can see that they are in need of replacement. It looks as if they have been twisted at some time in their life therefore causing the splits?



There are two options moving forward, one is to replace the complete calliperís or the second would be to overhaul the calliperís which would include all new seals.



To replace both calliperís would cost £830.23



To overhaul both calliperís would cost £293.00



Let me know which you would rather and I can organise booking the car in.
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Good Morning







Thank you for your email.







There are no outstanding recalls on your car.







Looking at the images and seeing the damage to the piston covers I can see that they are in need of replacement. It looks as if they have been twisted at some time in their life therefore causing the splits?







There are two options moving forward, one is to replace the complete calliperís or the second would be to overhaul the calliperís which would include all new seals.







To replace both calliperís would cost £830.23







To overhaul both calliperís would cost £293.00







Let me know which you would rather and I can organise booking the car in.


i'ld of replied with 'did I say something to offend you which resulted in a stupidly over priced quote'


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Thats the most ridiculous things ive ever read, talk about extortion! Bigg red overhauls a pair of calipers with new seals for about £120.. DIY, factor in a wind back kit your looking at around £40
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Absolutely atrocious! Make sure you fix them yourself. Easy pezy job. What a rip off!!

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I had a major problem with my last car, an Accord with regards to these kinds of seals failing, although i guess the unit isn't the same on the Accord.

I bought the car from a main dealer with a full service history and a recent service, it came with their standard used car warranty and had a devil of a job getting them to contribute when I had problems less than a year into owning it, in the end the dealer contributed half the cost of new rear pads and disks and a new rear caliper. Honda UK, were abysmal.

Should have been around £950, I paid half.

They argued they were a wear and tear part part, I argued they had failed and lead to the brakes binding so much that one caliper was seized solid and the entire rear brakes (pads and disks) were scrap.

One of the main reasons why I bought new, the 2nd hand warranty is worth nothing... I was told that they (HUK) usually argue everything is wear and tear apart from electrical items that either work or don't work. And of course, wear a tear isn't covered.
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