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Problem with wheel alignment on 9G

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I drive a 2012 9G and I just got 2 x Hankook 16" tyres for the front 3 days ago. While the steering wheel was tiny bit off (not completely straight, with left side couple mm lower than right side) I decided to for wheel alignment. As I said the steering wheel was couple mm off so whenever I had it perfectly straight it would slowly drift to the right. Not super quick but definitely it was going in a different direction than straight ahead.

After the first attempt of wheel alignment in a first garage today I came back just after making couple hundred meters. Guys there worked on it again and showed me some info on a PC screen saying everything was right, the steering wheel was straight when the alignment clamp/gear was on the car. At that time I was told that something in the suspension is "pulling" the steering wheel to this position and that the entire front suspension needs to reviewed (even though they had a quick glance through it without anything obvious visible).

I left there with the steering wheel being lower about an inch (!) on the left side. At that stage the car with the steering wheel made straight would nearly INSTANTLY move onto the opposite side of the road. They have booked me in for complete suspension review on Saturday, which again I'm not sure about if it's needed..

I found it hard to believe so I went straight after that to another tyre place and asked for the alignment to be done without saying anything about the previous place.

The second garage made it a bit better during first attempt and nearly the way it should be after I came back the second time to them (they told me they had someone sitting in the car and holding the steering wheel while they're adjusting it - to make it "perfect, perfect").

Now let's say it is very similar to what it was when I was going to the first garage the very first time - couple mm lower on the left side and slowly drifting to the right with the steering wheel made straight completely.


Is there any chance that someone here with more experience then myself could possibly give me a hint what to do next, please? Can the suspension be possibly responsible for such a problem with alignment? Both garages confirmed it looks and feels solid (116k KM).


I spent nearly the whole day on this with very little result (as can be seen above) and really I'll leave aside the fact that both garages could correct the alignment every single time I came back to them - alignment effectively done 4 times today!

I really appreciate any help that could possible bring me any closer to solving this issue.

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look for a tyre place that has the hunter alignment machine this will give the measurements of each wheel ,failing that take it too honda for them to look at..
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Hi, As I live near Bristol I cannot recommend anyone convenient for you.
However, I've always used a "backstreet" specialist who only does wheel alignment but for competition as well as normal road cars.
Never had a problem (so far) so I suggest looking for similar in your neck of the woods.
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Thank you for your suggestions. The second garage I went into is advertising as using Hunter equipment... I'm going back to them for the third time on Saturday - we'll see what they can do this time.
After having an argument with my wife about if it's only in my head that it doesn't drive straight I seriously consider attaching a small spirit level on the steering wheel so the Wheel Alignment System operator has a chance to see if it is straight :d ;D

Being serious I well believe at this stage that there might be something pulling on the steering system while driving as it shouldn't present such a great difficulty to multiple people to align it right.

Fingers crossed that I'll get it straight OR I'll get to know what is wrong this coming Saturday

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Did you get this sorted?
I am in a similar situation and need little more info please
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I always go to a tyre company for my alignments that has a 4 point system, always is spot on afterwards
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I just visited Kwik-fit and they did this hunter wheel alignment, checking all 4 wheels, but told me that the rears can not be adjusted even mine were both slightly out. They fixed the front and the car seems better now, but the report still shows the rares are slightly off. Asked them if all good with the suspension and they confirmed no issues there. What should I do now

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I have this issue after getting Eibach springs fitted. I took the car back for a second hunter alignment and whilst it still isn't perfect it's a fair bit better.

Had it done by Honda when I bought the car and it was spot on.

It's also worth mentioning that road camber, vehicle load, tyre pressures and wind speed all have some effect.

I also know that the OCD side of me focuses on the slightest misalignment once I know it's there.
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My Accord was pulling to the left and I had to correct it with a bit of right hand steer. After having the alignment checked by Honda it still did it.

I then swapped the front wheels and lo and behold it then pulled to the right. And this was with the factory fitted tyres.
Two new tyres later it drove straight.

There was nothing obviously wrong with the tyres with lots of tread left on them so I was a bit miffed at changing two otherwise perfectly good tyres. The only time my Honda man had seen that before is when different tyres (or uneven wear) were fitted across the axle.
Moral of the story? Swap the fronts left to right and see if it pulls the other way. At least you will eliminate tyres/wheels that way.
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Tyres are brand new Michelin Cross Climate. Just fitted them a week ago - all 4 of them at a time.
The old one were Good Year Efficient grip performance and the rears were evenly worn after 10k miles still like new, but the fronts were slightly uneven on the outside and much more visibly worn. However the car wasn't pulling left as much as when the new Michelins were fitted.
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Hi All!

All after all the second garage had a guy working in there that wouldn't give up on the issue I had - after getting back to them again (4 times in the second garage so I was really lucky they treated all follow up corrections as a warranty call). I don't know what he had done but the steering wheel was bang on and car was driving straight after his last correction!

Now, just as of yesterday I decided to go and get the rear tyres done - two, brand new Hankook Ventus Prime3 K125 205/55/R16 same as the first two a year ago. I asked the guy doing the fitting if he could put wheels with new tyres on the front and move front wheels to the back. He followed my request and.... you won't f..g believe it! Car is pulling to the left on its own and to drive straight ahead the steering wheel is lower on the right side!

I'm really sick of this at this stage as under no circumstances tires should be able to affect wheel alignment in such a way. I'd expect all components responsible for alignment to be forcing the car to drive straight and maintain the steering wheel to stay bang on straight as it was before the new tires were fitted.

Do you think Guys that there is any point in going into Honda Service center to throw some light onto it (and overpay like crazy for the service) or would I be better going into a regular tyre place and repeat multiple comebacks until the issue is fixed again?

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I asked the guy doing the fitting if he could put wheels with new tyres on the front and move front wheels to the front. He followed my request
He should have advised you against that. The best tyres should go on the back.
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He should have advised you against that. The best tyres should go on the back.
Thanks M8TJT,
It is a valid point - I should have left front wheels alone. I'll plan to swap them back around and it might even straighten itself back

Main issue still remains a mystery - why alignment is off after putting new tyres on? Surely Hankook is not that bad or they wouldn't be selling such a volume of their products

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Swap them left to right (on the front) and see if it pulls the other way.
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Same issue with me.
Put 4 new tires back in March and car was pulling left. After 3 times doing wheel alignment it finally got OK-still not perfect, but better.Last month decided to sell those tyres and put another 4 Michelin Cross Climate brand new ones and the car started to pull left again . Done Hunter wheel alignment once and it is little bit better now, but still not great and it is very annoying.
The interesting bit was that the rears are out, but can not be adjusted. According the report the fronts should be ok
Any advice
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If you IGNORE what the wheel position is in, does it drive fine, or does it physically pull when driving straight (note driving straight not steering wheel straight)
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If you IGNORE what the wheel position is in, does it drive fine, or does it physically pull when driving straight (note driving straight not steering wheel straight)
Hi Guys,
I have very limited time available during mon-fri week (+ my wife uses Civic to travel to work every day) hence the silence...

As of today I managed to test it first by driving on a straight road - ignoring the steering wheel being off and driving on straight car wouldn't pull on its own (it might be doing it at a very low level that's hard to catch while driving in real life).

I went by the previous advice and swapped left and right wheels without touching back - this operation made no difference. Steering wheel is off still.


I rang local authorized Honda dealer and spoke to their service guy - he gave me absolutely no help! Only useless questions of where is the car serviced, where did you get tyres and that he can't stand for someone else's work etc... pure marketing brain washing. How on earth anyone would go to Honda to buy tyres - I got the tyres from a local tyre place that's doing tyres for 20 years and getting all brilliant reviews from people coming back and recommending them left and right (Honda guy blamed tyre place straight away!)

I'm sort of thinking it must be something with suspension - a bushing or joint... Might be one of the steering rods too. I don't know enough about it. Something is loose enough to give-up when new tyres try to drive their own way.

Question now I have is if an independent service garage would be able to review entire steering and suspension in detail or am I stuck with Honda authorized service centre that will take my skin off
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I have the same problem after lots of research I find out some car makers for safety reasons let the car pull on left side in right hands drive car with the correct set up because if the driver fall asleep donít will go to the upcoming traffic but on the kerb side .


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As of today I managed to test it first by driving on a straight road - ignoring the steering wheel being off and driving on straight car wouldn't pull on its own.
As it doesn't 'pull' to the left, it sounds to me like the track rods need adjusting a tad to straighten the steering wheel.
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after lots of research I find out some car makers for safety reasons let the car pull on left side in right hands drive car with the correct set up because if the driver fall asleep don’t will go to the upcoming traffic but on the kerb side
Please share with us the source of this information as it sounds suspiciously wrong to me.

But Termostat's car is not pulling to the left. It drives straight, but the steering wheel is not centred when it is. So his is not the 'same problem'.
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