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Hi all,
im hoping you can help me, im new to this forum and have been looking around for help on this but need some reassurance as my beloved 06 2.2CDTI is currently sitting in Gatwick Honda being diagnosed......

Started two weeks ago, driven 1/2 mile from work toward M23 on dual carriage way, accelerated and the engine coughed and then lost power. Check engine light came on and had to pull over as i had nothing and the engine wouldnt start. 10 mins later i tried again and the car started so got it home.
Booked in to local garage i trust and as i went to drive it round, the warning light cleared (thought id try that 3 x 20secs) so thought my car was playing up.

Since then, its coughed twice and lost power but then the engines almost restarted (like anti-stall) so ive been able to carry on...my confidence though is gone.
It is also harder to start first off so garge hooked it up, brought up P1065, P0087 and P2185. They cleared it and took it for a drive and P1065 reappeared after stopped with the mechanic in it.
They told me it was a diesel specialist or manufacturer code so couldnt help me further and as my nearest specialist is quite far away i felt my real only option was local dealer.

(Apologies for the story!! but just wanted to make sure you had all the info i do!)

Anyhoo, they've got it this morning, confirmed the code and say its fuel pump related and trying to do me for £2k new fuel pump. Not convinced, they are now charging me £111 to try a 'donor pump' to confirm if its that.
Im not convinced, i've asked them to check the fuel filter but is there anything else i can do?
As you've prob guessed, i'm not entirely clued up on this, so any help is really appreciated.
I know im about to get spanked just to diagnose it, but really cant justify £2k on an 06 plate car...barely worth it! :)
 

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Slap the fault code in the search box there are a few other threads with this fault code! I'd post you links but on my phone currently
 

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I'd bet money on it being the fuel filter. The i-CTDi is unbelieveably fussy about even the slightest rise in filter restriction... I've changed several on Accords and seen both P1065 and P0087 as a direct result of the previous filter. And the symptoms you are reporting are typical of a fuel filter issue.

Make sure that you fit the 'Honda' (actually Denso) OEM filter... again, having an aftermarket filter type has also been reported many times in problems like yours.

Do this first, do not let the garage (who should know better!) mess with the fuel pump.

OBD II Fault Codes p1065
 

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Slap the fault code in the search box there are a few other threads with this fault code! I'd post you links but on my phone currently
Thank you. I have but no results seem to be conclusive as to whether it is the fuel pump, or if its the fuel filter, or injectors etc. Some of the thread are very open ended.
I just dont want honda to go 'yeah its the fuel pump' when it turns out it was only a filter or something. I guess i just really dont trust them to do a proper job! :D
 

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If there's any uncertainty, then you may as well change the fuel filter first... it's a lot cheaper and its replacement is designed to be a regular service item anyway. Starting by replacing the fuel pump is illogical and very wasteful.
 

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If there's any uncertainty, then you may as well change the fuel filter first... it's a lot cheaper and its replacement is designed to be a regular service item anyway. Starting by replacing the fuel pump is illogical and very wasteful.
Thank you Jon. I really shoulve known better but was the phone call caught me in the middle of things so i said to try it..:facepalm: (idiot!!!) Seems logical really...
Ill call them up and see if they can check that filter first.
 

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Update:
Apparently its fault with a valve in the fuel rail system which is staying open and reducing pressure.... £1700 is what they quote and nope, that aint going to happen (at least not with them.

So next suggestion, what am i looking at for this to be done at a diesel specialist?
 

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Update:
Apparently its fault with a valve in the fuel rail system which is staying open and reducing pressure.... £1700 is what they quote and nope, that aint going to happen (at least not with them.

So next suggestion, what am i looking at for this to be done at a diesel specialist?
Someone else had this same problem very recently (but was causing starting problems), see the last page of this thread... http://www.civinfo.com/forum/engines-transmission/108617-hard-starting-2-2-any-advice-greatly-appreciated-3.html .On the drivers side end of the fuel rail there is an over-pressure relief valve, which - in the unlikely event of excess pressure - returns excess pressure back to the fuel tank...Honda ACCORD TOURER 2005 2.2 SPORT FUEL RAIL/HIGH PRESSURE P UMP (DIESEL) - Original Honda Parts | Lings Honda ...if that is stuck open then the rail will not always have enough pressure available to the injectors. Honda do not list this valve as a separate unit, so will only sell you a complete fuel rail instead! But (to me) the valve looks replaceable and does have its own Bosch part number.

I bought a secondhand fuel rail from a breakers a couple of years ago and paid £80. I think an independant diesel specialist would be a better bet than having a Honda dealer fit it. But swapping the fuel rail over is a simple enough DIY job (no special tools required)
 
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