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Hi guys I'm looking for some advice.
I've got a 2.2 civic about 90k miles. A few weeks back it took a couple of attempts before it would start, check engine light came on but after driving home (30min journey) I tried starting it a few times and no problem at all and the engine light went out. It was then fine for a couple of weeks but now it will start perfectly 1st time in the morning, I'll drive 30mins to work then I can leave it for about 10mins and it will still start fine but leave it for 1hr and nothing....it just cranks over and over.
I had read on here about the fuel rail over pressure valve causing these symptoms so I did the suggested check and sure enough diesel was coming out so I got a 2nd hand rail and changed it yesterday. Took a bit of trying but it started, left it about 4hrs and it started up perfectly so I thought that was the end of it. Took it for a drive and then checked it about 10mins after and it was all good :) but then...1hr later....it was back to just cranking and no starting.

Any advise would be very much appreciated, I've seen some mention of excessive injector leak back causing similar symptoms but I have no idea how you check for that.

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If the check engine light came on, the computer should have a fault code stored.

Maybe you could get the fault code first.
 

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Reading any stored fault code(s) would definitely be the right thing to do. Best to note the stored code, then delete it, then see if it comes back and therefore relates to the current problem (and not some expired historic issue).

It's good that you changed the fuel rail, but secondhand ones aren't always perfect. It may be excessive injector leak-back, but best to read the fault code before guessing.
 

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Mine is doing the same thing, but it took me 3-4 attempts to start and well I'm not getting any feedback. No codes or lights to check either...

Purchased at 57k and it has now done 116k so I'm going to replace the glow plugs. It isn't the battery as that's a new Bosch S4, I gave it a long run today because it's been parked for a few months and only been driven for a few miles each week.
 

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Mine is doing the same thing, but it took me 3-4 attempts to start and well I'm not getting any feedback. No codes or lights to check either...

Purchased at 57k and it has now done 116k so I'm going to replace the glow plugs. It isn't the battery as that's a new Bosch S4, I gave it a long run today because it's been parked for a few months and only been driven for a few miles each week.
Make sure they fit OEM (Bosch) glowplug, as cheaper aftermarket ones are available but won't give you the same performance.

If your garage is good with electrics they could check out your old glowplugs using a multimeter before removal, and also check that the electrical feed to the glowplugs under load is OK (as the relay can become weak and result in a poor feed). If the system has completely failed you'd have a P1384 fault code which would at least have been helpful.

Does it always start OK when warm?
 

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I had the same kind of thing. Engine light would come on if the car would not start. But if the next time I went to start it and it started first time the engine light would go out. The fault code will still be on the ecu so it’s worth going to get it read. As there will be a back log of fault codes. So they will need to clear them and next time it fails to start go back in and they should be able to pin point the problem. Mine was a "cam position sensor". The wiring to the sensor had corroded over time so the signal was sporadic hens the "sometimes it will start sometimes it wouldn’t"
I think my Honda garage wanted around £200 for the part and around £180 to fit.
I bought mine from euro car parts for £80 and a garage £30 to fit.
 

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Cheers for the help guys.
I had tried getting the codes using my obd reader but it would never connect. On an off chance I changed the fuel filter even though it was "changed" at its last service only 2k miles ago. Clearly they couldn't be bothered to do it as the casing had all rusted and the inside was filthy. Anyway that didn't solve the problem but it needed doing.

Finally got it to a mechanics that could pull the codes off and...p0335 cam shaft position sensor. Hopefully getting that changed will sort it the same as yours jimmbo
 

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Make sure they fit OEM (Bosch) glowplug, as cheaper aftermarket ones are available but won't give you the same performance.

If your garage is good with electrics they could check out your old glowplugs using a multimeter before removal, and also check that the electrical feed to the glowplugs under load is OK (as the relay can become weak and result in a poor feed). If the system has completely failed you'd have a P1384 fault code which would at least have been helpful.

Does it always start OK when warm?
Not really sat in it much, bought 4 new ones from Cox and taking it to the garage today. How can I start it when warm? It still struggles...
 

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Not really sat in it much, bought 4 new ones from Cox and taking it to the garage today. How can I start it when warm? It still struggles...
If it struggles when warmed up then I doubt that changing glowplugs will help.

My money would be on excessive fuel leak-back to the fuel tank, either because of a faulty rail over-pressure valve, or worn injectors.
 

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If it struggles when warmed up then I doubt that changing glowplugs will help.

My money would be on excessive fuel leak-back to the fuel tank, either because of a faulty rail over-pressure valve, or worn injectors.
The other day it took 10-15 seconds of chugging and power drill sounds to start, after 3-4 attempts which scared me, and that was both starts before and after shopping.

I just tried it now, and it started after about 5 seconds, and after I switched it off it started fine another 2 times.

I recorded how it sounded on the first attempt.

A friend suggested it might be the starter motor, as well as my mum and the mechanic who hasn't looked at it yet. Which is making me sad because I've just bought 4 new glow plugs for like £80.

Does this change your opinion on what it might be?
 

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It could very well be the starter motor, the description of the sound certainly indicates an issue in that area, its just a shame there is no easy way of checking it without having to remove it - and that is a pain in the rear.
 

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A dodgy glow plug isn't going to cause the starter motor to sound like a power drill. Any chance you could put up a vidclip?
 

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Glow plugs would effect the running of the engine, this usually results in a Check engine light.

I once changed the original glow plugs on a accord with 175k on the clock - I was really surprised to see they were still in great condition.
 

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Well two glow plugs had gone, so my guess was right.

The day after I had them changed I had the same issue that it would struggle to start for like 5 seconds before starting. The next day I took it to the garage and I couldn't repeat the problem, I had my battery checked and it's faultless, advice were all directing me to diesel specialists to find out what it was but other advice was to drive the car until the problem happens frequently.

Not had an issue since, haven't driven it much but I think it's all good.

If it happens again, could be dodgy wiring or injector issue. Starter is fine because it always stars, and it can't just suddenly start working fine and then stop.

Thanks for all the help, what's your opinion, I mean it has irritated me and made me paranoid now.
 
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