Thanks Pjramsey and Das, good to know. I'll check for any rattling anyway. Always wanted one of these models of Civic so I'm looking for a change from an MR2 Roadster that I'm struggling with getting in and out - bad back, hoping the 2008 isn't too low. I had a 2003 Civic a few years ago and that just kept going and going. Difficult to find a lowish mileage example, oddly I found a 1 owner low mileage, 51000, 2007 that had failed 7 MOTs, and the one I'm looking at although higher miles has only ever failed 1 MOT