5thgear review
1 - 20 of 40 Posts
it seems to me like in every way 9 gen is better but for dynamics, which were compromised by efficiency as regards petrol. Most likely I won't be able to get a 2.2, still I think that the 1.6 with its 120 bph and 300 Nm may be a good alternative to 1.8 petrol with 140 bph and 174 Nm. Depends if this 1.6 has any improvment potential.
Joined
·
1,175 Posts
Won't be getting it till March 2013. Plenty of time for the initial bugs to be ironed out.
Need to see the differences between the T grade SatNav and the EX SatNav. If it's just that the EX needs the HDD for the DVD input and they are both basically the same unit then fine - I'll be looking at a ES-T.
Joined
·
1,175 Posts
I can wait
Won't be getting it till March 2013. Plenty of time for the initial bugs to be ironed out.
Need to see the differences between the T grade SatNav and the EX SatNav. If it's just that the EX needs the HDD for the DVD input and they are both basically the same unit then fine - I'll be looking at a ES-T.
Joined
·
6,269 Posts
I think the bottom line was that he didn't like it, but, he was a younger driver looking for thrills.
Honda seem to have aimed the Civic more back to it's traditional owners who want comfort over handling and I think they may have nearly succeeded.
I wonder what the percentage of models sold is? I wonder if the "R" or even the 3 door is only a small percentage of overall sales so aren't too bothered?
Honda seem to have aimed the Civic more back to it's traditional owners who want comfort over handling and I think they may have nearly succeeded.
I wonder what the percentage of models sold is? I wonder if the "R" or even the 3 door is only a small percentage of overall sales so aren't too bothered?
Yes I saw that. Unlike the web review it got a right slating.Have you guys seen tonight's fifth gear?
Jonny sums it up like this :
" My advice is to go and buy a Honda Civic, but one from 2011 "
That sums it up well!
From memory:
- Cabin was said to be messy in layout with the huge conventional dials getting a slating eg size of the temp gauge and the fact the speedo was on the top and the other dials below. Personally I still think the older dash was better.
- Body got criticised for being boring in shape and the loss of the triangles and the nose got criticised for being fat.
- Ride still got criticised.
- Engine got criticised on emissions and refinement and strangely he said it was livelier with the eco button pressed (maybe someone wired it the wrong way around).
- Price got criticised as too expensive compared to the competition.
- Target market was said to be mid 50's woman.
- Only positive comment I remember was boot space and folding seats.
Seems they got a lot of the facts wrong then.Yes I saw that. Unlike the web review it got a right slating.
From memory:
- Cabin was said to be messy in layout with the huge conventional dials getting a slating eg size of the temp gauge and the fact the speedo was on the top and the other dials below. Personally I still think the older dash was better.
- Body got criticised for being boring in shape and the loss of the triangles and the nose got criticised for being fat.
- Ride still got criticised.
- Engine got criticised on emissions and refinement and strangely he said it was livelier with the eco button pressed (maybe someone wired it the wrong way around).
- Price got criticised as too expensive compared to the competition.
- Target market was said to be mid 50's woman.
..and yep their advice was buy the current model!
- Only positive comment I remember was boot space and folding seats.
They did realise thr old dash has the speedo above the rev counter didn't they?
Emissions got criticised? Why? The diesel is now down to 110 g / mile with 140+ bhp - thats one of the best out there. Numpties.
Yeah I see nothing wrong with the speedo but it seems they weren't impressed with the large pods containing the other dials. They also weren't impressed with the 2nd sat nav screen up top, said it was confusing.
As for emissions, they wanted a car less than 100g for free tax, that was the criticism although from memory in the same breath they also wanted more performance.
I think Honda need to realise the only way forward is performance hybrids as quite clearly the demands of many of us and of the journalists are for powerful cars but clean cars.
Maybe Honda should rethink the 1.6 turbos design in favour of a hybrid so they can get below the 100g mark but get power up to maybe 170-180 bhp or more with electric assist. Big problem though is here to put the batteries without losing the award winning boot space.
Joined
·
2,063 Posts
they should either go for a really good looking hybrid where u dont expect power but you get a economical car thats easy on the eye, or a car that competes with the big guns and is fun to drive. the 9th gen has neither of those, and your looking at 20+ grand. epic fail
The hybrid is available. They can simply import the Jap/US models like they did for the previous two Civics. Trouble is Honda's IMA system doesn't make a convincing case for itself against Diesel competition in Europe.
The 1.6 diesel will almost certainly be sub 100 Co2.
The 1.6 diesel will almost certainly be sub 100 Co2.
Yes, if you are buying a higher end model. Mid to low range, prices are almost the same as 8th gen.
Sent from my GT-I9000 using Tapatalk
1 - 20 of 40 Posts
