[xxDIABLOxx]

As I'm looking all around for Clutch solution, I noticed this: Acura TL and Acura CL have same Clutch as we have on our 2.2i-CTDI.
It is the same part number!!!
Does it mean that it is same clutch???
If it is the same than for sure in USA have some uprated clutch for those Acuras!!! ??
Look:
22105-PGE-325 | eBay

So for example something like this can be found also: I'll look around a little more...
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Stage-3-Rigid-Ceramic-Clutch-Kit-2003-2007-Acura-CL-TL-Accord-6-Cylinder-/310362692333?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&fits=Make%3AAcura%7CModel%3ATL&vxp=mtr&hash=item48430edaed

Or this one maybe better:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SPEC-Clutch...Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr&hash=item48409f5d19

And after looking more - best I think for OEM feeling and holding torque (am I wrong??)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/SPEC-Clutch...Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr&hash=item48409f7fc5

I ASKED THEM ALREADY OVER EMAIL!!!

 

[F6HAD]

Isn't that the same clutch with part number ending 325?

 

[xxDIABLOxx]

Hope that all of you understand what I mean with this post - IF IT IS THE SAME CLUTCH (I see that part number is the same...) - there is a LOT of UPRATED CHOICES of CLUTCH STAGES for our 2.2i-CTDI, there in USA for that Acura TL and Acura CL.
So there will be more solutions - best for me is as they have springs inside of clutch disc - SO PROBABLY WILL BE NO JUDDER AT ALL and can hold more torque !!

 

[coste1l]

it is possible me and relic looked at it but could never nail down if it would fit.

 

[xxDIABLOxx]

Dont want to mess CG business here with that - but question is WHY THY DIDNT TRIED TO PUT SPRINGS INSIDE CLUTCH DISC ??
My mechanic here told me today that he will ask somewhere if they can change middle part of clutch disc with another one who have springs ( with that I mean - TO BUY 6 paddle CG motorsport, and in clutch disc put new part with springs..) - just thinking....

See that clutch how good that spring looks ( and as I can see holds much greater torque..). READ ABOUT IT...
SPEC Clutch Kit Stage 3 Acura TL 03-06 3.2L 07-08 3.5L | eBay

 

[coste1l]

no messing mate its a community here if we find a better solution we share it my first question would be will that spec kit fit the 2.2 flywheel? it seems to suggest that there is a single mass flywheel for this to bolt to? from what I have read most people on here will not want to go smf as its worse than a bit of judder they are horrible at tickover the car sounds broken

 

[xxDIABLOxx]

For sure me too dont want to change on SM Flywheel. Makes me so curious because it is totaly the same part number - SO MUST BE SAME CLUTCH - and than all fittings must be the same to put it on Flywheel...
And now I reasearched a little - THERE IS ALSO DMF FOR THAT ACURA TL 2004-2006 !!! SO EVERYTHING IS THE SAME THEN - also DMF is in that Acura TL!!
Luk Dual Mass Flywheel 2004 Acura TL Base Sedan 3.2L V6 SOHC

and text I just reading about that Acura TL 2004-2006 ENGINE (proof that 6 speed manual have also DMF):
"CLUTCH AND DUAL-MASS FLYWHEEL
The TL's manual transmission is equipped with a compact clutch unit that is self-adjusting for consistent pedal height, feel, and effort throughout its service life. This innovative clutch system automatically eliminates the slack between the pressure plate and clutch disc thus lowering release loads while maintaining consistent pressure for the diaphragm spring. The clutch mechanism incorporates a clutch feel compensation spring that results in a more linear engagement feel.
To reduce drivetrain shock and limit the torque load on transmission components, the clutch includes a one-way delay valve located in the slave cylinder that restricts return fluid flow during rapid clutch engagement. This makes the clutch engagement more gradual during rapid release.
A dual-mass flywheel helps to reduce noise, cut down the transfer of engine vibration into the cabin, and provide increased comfort during shifting. This unit is divided into two flywheels with a torsion spring and viscous damper sandwiched between the two. This design enhances the durability of the synchronizers, reduces vibration and gear rattle, and reduces the shift load."

 

[xxDIABLOxx]

On picture proof for DMF on that Acura TL - waiting answer from USA for whole KIT (is it same?) - than know that uprated for that car is good.. hehe ...

 

[coste1l]

good luck buddy and keep us posted we need options

 

[xxDIABLOxx]

Cant believe that from all of failed clutches and all remapped cars here - only me and you writing in this thread!!!
Is that something I dont know or understand...some resistance to unknown or what??
What I want is: if someone have some contact in Honda/Acura services - why not to find out/help us, is it the same part??
I have sent about 5 mails to different places in USA for that answer...must I dont know something you all know here...hehehe (and I am maybe mule ?)

 

[Chip]

Diablo, I have an CG uprated clutch - it works - I'm happy any more questions?

 

[Ben GT]

I think you are doing great work buddy.

The problem we have is without an official supplier/fitter where does warranty etc come from? Its a lot to invest without guarantees

 

[xxDIABLOxx]

Oh! Thanks Ben - that is a good reason... must say that I didnt not a single time thought about that. Thats because I don't have guarantee on ANY WAY, so its really the same for me (UK or USA...).

 

[xxDIABLOxx]

Diablo, I have an CG uprated clutch - it works - I'm happy any more questions?

OK Chip - I know all about....and pretty selfish sentence....but still standing that if someone have close contacts at Honda service - maybe can easier find out!
And as I found out - here is many memebers not from UK so also dont have guarantee and maybe need more solutions...but whatever - I didnt say that CG is not good...maybe at the end I'll buy one...

 

[coste1l]

keep looking buddy chip means no offence hes a top lad!

 

[Chip]

keep looking buddy chip means no offence hes a top lad!

Thanks Costel, I have also been through this on two occasions since 2007 and Helix and Exedy had no answers.

Diablo, I think you are looking for something that has already been found. Within the design parameters of the existing hardware we have there is not a lot available that can handle the torque without losing some of the OEM clutch feel.

Sorry if this is not what you want to hear.

 

[xxDIABLOxx]

Simple question - why CG paddle clutch dont have springs inside clutch disc? Maybe will be better than (I'm saying better, that doesnt mean that is not good right now - just little better if you know what I mean...)..

 

[Chip]

O.K. Diablo I understand you now. Have you asked whether CG could provide this sprung friction plate if you give them enough information from those Acura clutches?

 

[xxDIABLOxx]

Didnt asked CG nothing for now - I go first on that route to find out is this same part from that Acura TL 2004-2006.
NOW I GET 1 ANSWER and dont know how to respond him as I dont know parameters he asking, SO PLEASE HELP ME WITH INFO as I know that you guys know THIS !!!

HE WANT ME THIS:

"Hello, I hope all is well. Sorry for the delay in my response. Do you know
the disc diameter and spline count of your current clutch kit? Provided
with this information I will be better able to match it to the 2004-2006
Acura TL kit that you believe may be the same."


EDIT: after looking little around I found on LuK Clutch on ebay.uk this parameters:

Plate Diameter : 240mm

Spline Count : 24

More Info : Self-Adjusting Clutch (SAC)

IS THAT RIGHT, IF SOMEONE KNOW ??

 

[coste1l]

yeah i think it is!