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I haven't checked for sure and I'm sure someone else can but most mk8 parts are interchangeable other than the obvious like engine and drivetrain.

Suspension differs a little as diesel cars are heavier nosed, although that is just shocks & springs. Plus any Type S or facelift suspension changes are largely wiped out when you refresh the suspension anyway. My 1.8 started off as an early SE car but I've since replaced all shocks and it rides on springs which are good for the 1.4, 1.8 and FN2...
 

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Oh I completely agree, I just want a sanity check because they specifically distinguish this as excluding the Type R. :)
I’m sure there are a load on eBay for sale so might be worth checking that out as well
 
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The ones I've looked underneath of similar ages do. The reason why these rear beams are failing is corrosion. I'd say that rust is a big issue on these cars on the underside and components
 

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Surely a rear axle is just that?!

It's the shocks and springs that make it different. Unless it's the FN2 I believe they're all the same. Even for the FN2 it wouldn't make sense to have a unique rear axle as it would increase production costs. The more of 1 thing Honda can make, the cheaper they can make their cars no?
The FN2 has a different beam, the torsion bar is a fair bit thicker and it's reinforced on top of the arm (area that usually breaks and causes the wheel to go into the wheel arch) they are stronger than the standard beam but only Honda make a new one for the Type-R 😒
 

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The FN2 has a different beam, the torsion bar is a fair bit thicker and it's reinforced on top of the arm (area that usually breaks and causes the wheel to go into the wheel arch) they are stronger than the standard beam but only Honda make a new one for the Type-R 😒
Would the FN2 beam fit a regular Civic?

Since the shocks and springs will fit a regular car!
 

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Would the FN2 beam fit a regular Civic?

Since the shocks and springs will fit a regular car!
Not sure, I think there is a problem fitting the standard beam to the FN2 (hope I'm wrong) because of the width, not sure if that will cause a problem the other way around, wheels might stick out more.
 

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I had the rear axle replaced on my 1.8 at the start of this year. It was an aftermarket pattern part which cost £200 delivered. The work was carried out by my local garage who also fitted a few other parts at the same time as the axle. The total cost for labour for everything was about £400 so if it had just been the axle it would probably have been nearer if not below £300.
 

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I had the rear axle replaced on my 1.8 at the start of this year. It was an aftermarket pattern part which cost £200 delivered. The work was carried out by my local garage who also fitted a few other parts at the same time as the axle. The total cost for labour for everything was about £400 so if it had just been the axle it would probably have been nearer if not below £300.
What else did you have replaced if you don't mind me asking?

My rear axle seems to be stuck in transit right now so I'm wondering if I should get some other things replaced (as long as they're fairly minor).
 

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When were the brake hoses last done? If the unions (where the solid brake line connects to the flexi hose) are badly corroded they might need replaced, as these are all attached to the rear axle which feed to the rear brakes.

The garage doing the job should be able to source these fairly cheap for you though.

Other than the rear suspension components (springs, shocks and associated bushes) I think that’s it really.
 
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Brake pipes!!!

Don't get me started on them as they are a complete catch 22 situation...

As in the longer you leave them the more they'll rust and corrode. I tried to remove them off my other car that is going on 20 years old, two of them sheered off due to being welded on from rust. Currently booked into have the pipe repaired with a specialist. I repaired some broken bits but they corrode in silly places where I can't get the brake flaring tool into without removing something like a suspension strut or the lower bit of the steering rack...
 

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When were the brake hoses last done? If the unions (where the solid brake line connects to the flexi hose) are badly corroded they might need replaced, as these are all attached to the rear axle which feed to the rear brakes.

The garage doing the job should be able to source these fairly cheap for you though.

Other than the rear suspension components (springs, shocks and associated bushes) I think that’s it really.
I don't think the brake hoses have ever been done! I'm going to swing by the garage this evening to apologise for my part being delayed so I'll enquire about getting those replaced too. I phoned FedEx and they said check in on Monday to see if the shipping has updated!

There's quite a few parts with 20% discount on eBay at the moment so I wonder if it's worth doing the springs, etc. There's even a rear axle for £150

is type s same as type r or just same as standard ???
Most websites selling 3rd party axles exclude Type R so I'm assuming the Type S is the same as the standard cars.
 

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From reading on here over the years, I think the Type S is only different to any non Type R Civic in terms of aesthetics, mechanically I believe there is no difference, But I could be corrected by those that know more than I ;)
 

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From reading on here over the years, I think the Type S is only different to any non Type R Civic in terms of aesthetics, mechanically I believe there is no difference, But I could be corrected by those that know more than I ;)
The rear track is wider than the 5 door. whether that's achieved by a different axle or different hubs I could'nt say (would have thought the axle)
 

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Is that not the facelifted mk8?

As I'm fairly sure Honda decided to modify the 3 door to make it slightly more sporting than the 5 door. Although that maybe independent from Type S trim.
 

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Is that not the facelifted mk8?

As I'm fairly sure Honda decided to modify the 3 door to make it slightly more sporting than the 5 door. Although that maybe independent from Type S trim.
Nope, my from new '07 Type S (non GT) was a completely different beast to my previous ES 2.2. Not too surprising considering it did'nt have the 'bendy' 5 door bodyshell, the top heavy glass roof, 16'' wheels and the weight carried by the ES (heaviest curb weight out of the lot of them)

Apart from the wider rear track there were also differences to the steering gear and front suspension.

The ES was great as a family car but not even slightly as a car with any 'sporting' pretensions. The Type S was made for that job and in experience excelled!
 

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The mk8 chassis feels pretty stiff to a lot of the older cars I've driven, no idea what the difference is between a 3 and 5 door, let alone one with or without the pano roof.

Honda don't seem to have released much on what changes they've made, let alone what settings say the current OEM spec shocks are from most outlets. What would the shocks and springs be from Honda themselves now? Might be interesting to compare various models with the current OEM catalogue.

My messing around with changing the drop links for thicker ones, new Sachs shocks and a set of Tein lowering springs has in my eyes transformed the car. It actually has steering feedback and is a pretty sporting drive for what's a mundane 5 door hatch. Maybe perhaps a bit too bouncy but I guess that's the price you pay. My car rides on 16"s and I could improve it further with bigger wheels, poly bushes etc

Just saying it's hard to gauge where the various cars start from, especially now at the mk8's age where most bits would have been swapped out by now.
 

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Nope, my from new '07 Type S (non GT) was a completely different beast to my previous ES 2.2. Not too surprising considering it did'nt have the 'bendy' 5 door bodyshell, the top heavy glass roof, 16'' wheels and the weight carried by the ES (heaviest curb weight out of the lot of them)

Apart from the wider rear track there were also differences to the steering gear and front suspension.

The ES was great as a family car but not even slightly as a car with any 'sporting' pretensions. The Type S was made for that job and in experience excelled!
If the rear track is wider on the Type S, would that not mean it has its own specific rear axle then? This conversation is making me worried I've bought the wrong part!

Looking here:


It lists the 2.2 5 door Diesel, and the 2.2 3 door diesel Type S as having the the same axle, a 42100-SMG-E06
 
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