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Im looking for opinions, Whats the best way to go ? I have mentioned in previous threads I do like my FN2 type R GT,, But I dont like the lack of power and I dont intend to spend silly money on mods that will only give you the odd 10 Bhp here and there. So my my question, do I supercharge the civic or do I sell it,,, I have seen a stunning 08 Code red Face Lift ST3, 300bhp for £15500.
I know all about you never get your money back on tuning so that again points me to the ST.
People talk about torque steer on the st's but wont the civic do it with 290ish bhp ?

Please no silly comments

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I concur. Sell it.
 

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I would not throw money at the civic, but i darn sure would not have a ST with 300BHP as that will be extremely fragile.

I don’t know too much of the ST tuning kits but after a bluefin (260BHP) I would think you would be entering a world of reliability trouble.

The mechanical changes the RS has received to allow it to reach the market should tell you something.

I always believe in buying a faster car, not tuning one, I have spent too much in the past trying to beat the manufactures efforts :idea:
 

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I agree, sell it.

Some very nice E46 M3's can be had for less than that Focus, or maybe an EVO 9?
 

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My mate has just got an mint Black 55 plate S4 Cabby for 17K,,,, There is so much out there Its hard to know where to start, The M3 is a lovely car but i like something a bit more nimble, The thing is that focus was almost New and you have to admit it did lok very nice, just looked alot of car for the money.
 

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My mate has just got an mint Black 55 plate S4 Cabby for 17K,,,, There is so much out there Its hard to know where to start, The M3 is a lovely car but i like something a bit more nimble, The thing is that focus was almost New and you have to admit it did lok very nice, just looked alot of car for the money.
Yes I must say it is a very nice example and I would sooner have that than the new RS, however M3's are going for silly money and that's where I'd be looking, alot less worry with warranty and insurance issues and I'd feel better knowing the 340 odd BHP was going to the rear wheels, plus it's BMW and can't lose much more money I wouldn't have thought.
 

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One off the things that put me off the M3 is they seem to get unwanted attention, I have heard of few getting keyd and damaged, they seem to have this dealer stigma about them where the little hot hatches just seem to get knicked but not vandalised.
 

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I must admit in supprised that people are saying sell the civic when so many are still spending a small fortune on tuning, induction kits/headders/ecu's ect.
What sort of power it the civic producing with all the regular mods ?
 

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Reading your posts previously mate and the impressive back catalogue of cars you've owned I would say even with a few mods and a possible 230BHP tops whilst retaining normal induction, you will still perceive a lack of torque, and so the only mod to resolve this would be the supercharger, but it is expensive.

I don't know where you live etc but I wouldn't have thought the M3 would attract vandals anymore than your new Evo X next year or your type-r now, I'd just get it in an understated colour and not the bright yellow/gold.

Sadly the N/A type-r will never have a turbo punch regardless of how many induction kits/manifolds etc you fit, which is exactly why I like it, but exactly why I think you should chop it in.

How much do you wanna spend? if there is a limit?

And how old are you prepared to go, e.g 03 plate etc?
 

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I think if i went for the m3, I would like it in black with black leather,, then silver with black leather, I would say at the moment I could throw another 7K ish + the value of the Civic towards the new motor, so what do you say 19-20K total ?
There is so many cars you could choose at that price.
 

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Yes mate you really are spoilt for choice, I would stay away from hot hatches with that sort of money, especially new ones, purely because I have seen the new Subaru WRX Sti for £20K pre reg and £22k Brand new as well as many other examples of hugely discounted very high performance cars. I would say an S2000 because Ive looked at them but even that would probably not suit you, although an idea might be to take an S2000 for a drive because it will give you a rough idea of what your type-r could be like after a few mods, so it may make your mind up.

As for the M3, black would be nice, I like red leather, with 20K you could probably find one still with a warranty, i.e 06 plate.
 

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I had a blast out in my mates S4, what a fantastic sounding car 4.2 V8, the torque was amazing. The only thing is it looks a bit plain, bit of a wolf in sheeps clothes. I wouldnt mind a blast out in the RS4.
 

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The Evo X is a superb drive, I test drove it a couple of weeks ago as well as the Leon Cupra.

The CTR was such a good deal that I could not refuse it though. The Evo X with the SST gearbox (which having tried it, you couldn't go back to normal gearbox!) is a shade over £30k, and the CTR was half the price and a better car for motorway cruising with the cruise control and extra gear.

My trackdays are down to 3-4 a year now as well, so can't justify an extra £15k to have a better trackday machine !

Personally, I don't think you're ever going to get satisfaction from a type-R if you're used to true performance cars. The CTR is more 'hot hatch' than true sports car.

I've recently had a Cayman S and I know the Type-R won't be anywhere near as much driving fun but I need more practicality and it helps in the current economic climate when tyres aren't £275 a pop and services £500+ !

For me it was head ruling heart this time around, which is why I've gone for the CTR at £15k, but if I had £20k+ to spend, and not thinking about a practical car, then It'd be a different story. There's a lot you can do with the Focus ST, and M3's are great all-round cars for the money as well if you're happy with 2nd hand (not that I'm saying either of these aren't practical - personally I'd go for used Porker which isn't practical whatsoever, but great fun!).

Happy hunting !
 

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ST3 would be my choice
 
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