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So I've finally sorted myself out with a trip to see Edd at Bluespark this coming Friday. Plan is to put the car on the dyno and produce a tuning module for the 1.0 turbo. I believe Bluespark will then make this an off the shelf purchase to any of you out there that are interested.

I'll report back Friday night once I get home and share all the data and results from the day with you.

Watch this space........ :grin2:
 

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Get some 99 RON and a K&N in there :grin2:
Still got too much damn 95 RON in there at the moment but I'll fill up with 99 just before getting there. So might be 97.5 RON in the end! :smile3:
 

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as this is the first map
personally I think it should be done on standard pump fuel so everyone else buying 1 gets the best set up for standard running
not everyone wants to run on premium fuel and some areas you have to travel to find a filling station that sells it

yes the car will perform and respond better on the dyno with premium fuel in but will it produce a better map ?
 

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as this is the first map
personally I think it should be done on standard pump fuel so everyone else buying 1 gets the best set up for standard running
not everyone wants to run on premium fuel and some areas you have to travel to find a filling station that sells it

yes the car will perform and respond better on the dyno with premium fuel in but will it produce a better map ?
That's a fair shout is that. I never use 99 RON normally, always 95, so I suppose that would suit me better as well. I'll drop Edd a message about it and see what he thinks.
 

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Now, Somewhat off topic, but thinking about it, if you fill up from empty with 99 rather than 95, at ~4p premium (Wishful in some cases; current rate at costco.) - Over 50l, it's only £1.50 Difference.

With a tune such as this, you do see a considerable amount of extra power due to the extra knock resistance.

I'd imagine you're best using 99 to get the maximum possible output; The ECU will automatically retard ignition timings when knock is detected (E.g. 95RON) to dial back ignition timing - Reducing octane requirement, hence knocking, as well as power.

Have a play of automation, it's quite intresting :p
 

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That's a fair shout is that. I never use 99 RON normally, always 95, so I suppose that would suit me better as well. I'll drop Edd a message about it and see what he thinks.
there gonna want the best improvement so it looks better for the figures

any chat ive had with them they seam genuine guys and always been friendly and helpful
 

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Now, Somewhat off topic, but thinking about it, if you fill up from empty with 99 rather than 95, at ~4p premium (Wishful in some cases; current rate at costco.) - Over 50l, it's only £1.50 Difference.

With a tune such as this, you do see a considerable amount of extra power due to the extra knock resistance.

I'd imagine you're best using 99 to get the maximum possible output; The ECU will automatically retard ignition timings when knock is detected (E.g. 95RON) to dial back ignition timing - Reducing octane requirement, hence knocking, as well as power.

Have a play of automation, it's quite intresting :p
sure its closer to 10p a litre difference up my way between 95 and 99 ron
still only a fiver over 50 ltrs
4p over 50 litres comes out at £2 in my maths
 

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Be Interested to see the gains, yes use shell v power or tesco momentum edd told me to use premium fuel for dyno mapping mainly to avoid knocking, he did a map A suitable for 95 RON which was 227 hp on my 1.5 and 240hp on the top map using 99 Ron .
If you use the premium fuel he will still do a map suitable for running on 95 RON
 

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Ps prepare yourself to spend a few hours there I did get a few cuppas and they have free WiFi
I'm getting there for 12 and expecting to be there for most of the afternoon. My 15 year old daughter is coming with me so the wait will seriously test her patience! [smilie=giggle.gif]

Good to hear about the different maps for the different fuels. I did already message Edd last night so I'll see what he comes back with.
 

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I'm looking forward to seeing Jason and his car tomorrow.

I will produce settings for use with both 95RON and 99RON.

It is easier to run on 99, get usable data, then turn it down a little for a 95RON tune than it is to tune for 95 then guess at a map into the unknown.

As for running settings for 99, filling with 95 and letting the car back itself off (as I see some people have suggested) I wouldn't personally reccomend it. Whilst this won't cause damage, modern ECU's tend to primarily change timing based upon knock sensor data.

If you ran a 99RON map with 95RON fuel, virtually any modern car will detect the onset of knock long before it happens and pull timing. Because the engine is doing this to protect itself, timing doesn't tend to be changed gracefully. What we usually see in this circumstance is timing being pulled out in 5 degree "lumps". As a result power is lost, but so is fuel economy.

Generally speaking, a map set up for 95RON run on 95RON tends to make better power, better fuel economy and drive nicer when compared with a higher boost map setup for 99RON that has been pulled back by the ECU protection systems due to 95RON being in the tank.
 

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Hi Edd,

If I buy a tuning box from your website would it have both maps installed? 95ron and 99ron?

Thanks

Paul:smile3:
 

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Edd after a little experiment with the maps at first I decided on a compromise, I have left it on the top setting for 99 Ron but use S'burys super unleaded which is 97 Ron their petrol station is only over the road from me and it's only 5 pp ltr more than regular currently 123.9 by me v power is 15 pp ltr more but I still fill up occasionally with it
 

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Hi Edd,

If I buy a tuning box from your website would it have both maps installed? 95ron and 99ron?

Thanks

Paul:smile3:
Yes of course. There are 5 selectable maps, all suitable for different levels of tune and fuel grade.
 

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Edd after a little experiment with the maps at first I decided on a compromise, I have left it on the top setting for 99 Ron but use S'burys super unleaded which is 97 Ron their petrol station is only over the road from me and it's only 5 pp ltr more than regular currently 123.9 by me v power is 15 pp ltr more but I still fill up occasionally with it
That seems fair enough tbh. We weren't hitting timing pull at maximum power on your unit when running 99RON, it had just gone as far as I thought was sensible to take it.

That said, Tesco's Momentum is 99RON and usually is priced fairly similarly to Sainsbury's 97.
 
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