Have just booked car in for routine service, going in April 2017, mentioned about the judder when cold. Advised by dealer will put my name on the list as this problem has already been advised to Honda who are looking in to it. They are to get back to me in this respect. Will let you know what happens.
Clutch judder on Dec 2013 1.6 DTEC
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Reference the clutch judder, my 2014 CRV 1.6.dtech has now had 3 clutches in 21000 miles of very easy use. Clutch judder nearly every morning and also occasional problems of not being able to actually put it into first gear until clutch dipped and released 3 or 4 times in quick succession. Via a Honda main dealer it seems Honda now agree there is a problem with the clutch/flywheel (mainly on 2014 model year CRV but also does affect some later models (I don't know if its the same with other Honda models). Honda technical dept have not as yet come up with a fix.
If one Honda main dealer knows of this problem they all will.
If one Honda main dealer knows of this problem they all will.
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Has anyones car actually had a failure with the clutch? I read many, many reports of the clutch judder but nothing actually worse. My car has it occasionally but nothing major, its done 15k miles now and if it doesn't get worse Im not too concerned. If however they start to 'ping' at 50k miles or so then that is a different matter.
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I own a 2015 Honda civic 1.6 i-dtec with the occasional clutch judder problems, most DMF will cause clutch judder over time, all you have to do to cure the clutch judder is to give the car a bit more rev when setting off to warm the clutch plate and burn off and glazing, try setting off in second gear a couple of times until the juddering disappears and this will cure the clutch juddering for a few weeks then repeat the process when the juddering returns.
The 1.6 i-dtec is prone to clutch judder after being parked overnight in the rain, this makes no sense to me and i been a mechanic for 43 years, the clutch housing and engine compartment are almost airtight so i can't see how moisture can get to the clutch plate , i've even removed the inspection cover on the bottom of the clutch housing but makes no difference. Honda say the clutch judder is down to condensation but my honest opinion is that it's down to a poor quality clutch and DMF, when my clutch requires replacing i'll be using LUK complete clutch assembly and DMF.
My honda civic detec has the same problem, a slight judder on pulling away, a bit better when warmed up, however pulling away slowly the problem is not present, no clutch slip, a garage recently looked at the car and test drove it, but could find no problem. 2014 model.
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I have just purchased a low mileage (30k) 1.6DEC and noticed the clutch judder that can occur on starting, but not between the higher gears.
As a materials engineer and graduate with 30 years experience in the automotive industry I tried to analyse the conditions which cause this judder with view to aiding diagnosis.....I specialise in failures and failure analysis!
The following summarises my findings;
- Only occurs on starting (1st gear)
- Most common when engaging clutch in 1200 to 1800 rev range and light throttle (the normal range)
- If higher revs are used (2500 plus) and the clutched engaged slowly the is some slip but little or no judder.
- If low revs are used and the clutch dropped in then there is no judder (or slip)
- The judder frequency is always the same regardless of hot or cold or variation in revs.
These seem to line up with everyone else observations, and whilst I first put it down to the previous owner having slipped or rode the clutch and damaged it. However, the consistency of observations would without doubt make this a systematic problem of the engine and I have no doubt Honda are fully aware of the issue and its causes.
From my experience a lot of vehicle problems are covered up, and a "fix" introduced by the manufacturers as quietly as possible to avoid claims from owners of older vehicles. Only if a problem has a impact on vehicle safety is the manufacturer obliged to notify the UK VOSA. This is not a safety issue.
The fact that the frequency of the judder is the same on all engines points directly to a resonant oscillation of some kind within the drive chain components. e.g. the DMF. Resonance's are often, but not always, related to a spring or a components acting as a spring. Such issues are not easy to fix and would almost certainly require major system changes. Hence the vehicle manufacturers acting "dumb".
I will investigate.
Does anyone know whether the latest model has this issue? I doubt it.
Is the clutch design different? Almost certainly!
As a materials engineer and graduate with 30 years experience in the automotive industry I tried to analyse the conditions which cause this judder with view to aiding diagnosis.....I specialise in failures and failure analysis!
The following summarises my findings;
- Only occurs on starting (1st gear)
- Most common when engaging clutch in 1200 to 1800 rev range and light throttle (the normal range)
- If higher revs are used (2500 plus) and the clutched engaged slowly the is some slip but little or no judder.
- If low revs are used and the clutch dropped in then there is no judder (or slip)
- The judder frequency is always the same regardless of hot or cold or variation in revs.
These seem to line up with everyone else observations, and whilst I first put it down to the previous owner having slipped or rode the clutch and damaged it. However, the consistency of observations would without doubt make this a systematic problem of the engine and I have no doubt Honda are fully aware of the issue and its causes.
From my experience a lot of vehicle problems are covered up, and a "fix" introduced by the manufacturers as quietly as possible to avoid claims from owners of older vehicles. Only if a problem has a impact on vehicle safety is the manufacturer obliged to notify the UK VOSA. This is not a safety issue.
The fact that the frequency of the judder is the same on all engines points directly to a resonant oscillation of some kind within the drive chain components. e.g. the DMF. Resonance's are often, but not always, related to a spring or a components acting as a spring. Such issues are not easy to fix and would almost certainly require major system changes. Hence the vehicle manufacturers acting "dumb".
I will investigate.
Does anyone know whether the latest model has this issue? I doubt it.
Is the clutch design different? Almost certainly!
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Thank you very much for the report on longevity. It's good to hear that this appears to be a low impact "chronic" issue, rather than one that progresses and leads to failure over time. My previous car was a Toyota Avensis TD4 and that got to 268K miles before accumulated costs of service, MOT, needing new tyres and a failed water pump made repair uneconomical. I was hoping the Honda will be similar
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Great - That's what I like to hear. However, as I have just retired and my mileage as plummeted I don't think I'll be joining that club any time in the near future
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well done, join the "don't have to work anymore club"Great - That's what I like to hear. However, as I have just retired and my mileage as plummeted I don't think I'll be joining that club any time in the near future
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Just spotted this, seems I have the same issue, I have a 2016 (9th Gen) 1.6 dtec 78k and I noticed this around about the time autumn kicked in. I notice it first thing in the morning or when its been left as a general rule. I mentioned it to my mate whose garage services my car and he lubricated the secondary chamber (i don't really know what that means) but the issue is still there. Would be good to hear if anyone has resolved it.
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I had the same issue but also noticed cracked pipe from air box. After replace air pipe everything back to normal
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offical version is condensation on the flywheel
cold or damp days first couple of standing starts the dual mass flywheel judders
like that on most of them not great but its only few mins from cold start
sometimes higher revs and sort of slipping the clutch on pulling away helps
cold or damp days first couple of standing starts the dual mass flywheel judders
like that on most of them not great but its only few mins from cold start
sometimes higher revs and sort of slipping the clutch on pulling away helps
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Had same on my 2008 Mk.8 2.2
Have same on my 2012 Mk.9 2.2
Only ever when pulling away after being parked up overnight or in the damp / rain, issue disappears when warmed up
Have same on my 2012 Mk.9 2.2
Only ever when pulling away after being parked up overnight or in the damp / rain, issue disappears when warmed up
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I used to have the same issue every morning till i have noticed cracked air pipe from air box. After replacing problem just gone so is worth to inspect that pipe carefully ,it cost you nothing but this was an issue in my case.
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