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Hi all!

Hope you are well.

Looking at an FN2 as i joined a while ago to browse and am taking the plunge. I would like a CW edition for the extras (LSD) but im concerned that the CTR might not compete against the current crop of hatches (which im looking at, hence the name lol)

For example cars like the Audi S3 are a similar price to the CW FN2 and others, like the Mazda MPS are much cheaper and possibly the quickest hatch out there. I know someone who does 30-70 in 5 secs or something silly with his MPS. Then there is the VXR, ST etc etc which are similar or cheaper and go quicker for a few hundred pound map.

What puts the CTR above them in 2012?
 

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Unfortunately in terms of straight line speed the FN2 cant compete or match any of the newer hot hatches. To get the best from the FN2 you've really got to thrash it, want to overtake a car on a country road, you'll find you've got to drop it down 2 gears and then thrash it all the way upto the red line. I'm guessing in the likes of the VXR or MPS you'll just be able to plant your foot and the wave of torque will power you past.

For me the FN2 is a bit of history, the last of the crazy high reving NA cars produced by Honda.
 

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dont buy the civic for straight line speed buy it for the tight and twisties! i think you will be dissapointed if your looking for outright speed..
 

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Il break it down as best i can in my own opinion.

ST : Fast in a straight line, but underneath its still a ford focus with a bodykit.

Audi S3 : A3 with a bodykit, VERY bland to look at in my opinion, nothing that sets it apart really from the standard A3.

Astra VXR : Bad gearboxes

Mazda MPS : Point and shoot power, few people have sold them and bought a CTR for the driving experience.

Owning a Type-R is about more than just point and shoot power, my old EP3 wasnt the quickest thing on the road by a long way, but in the twisties it was an animal.
 

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As R555 says the high revving engine of the Type R is its party piece. Having driven the others in comparison the torque and whoosh is just boring, there is no character to the engine, especially compared to the "kick" of VTEC. Yes in terms of pub bragging rights something like an S3 will beat a Type R in a straight line. But lets bring into the argument what you feel and react to, being the driver in the situation. The S3's gearchange is soft and discourages sporty changes, the suspension is also soft and while comfortable cant turn a decent corner like a Type R, in fact the S3 I drove had horrible understeer! being a 4wd I found that terrible! The S3 has the worst position for a handbrake I've ever seen and the running costs are significantly more compared to the Civic.

One of my previous cars was a tuned Scirocco R DSG (auto), it would have given all the cars you mentioned a right kicking on the straights although the delivery was boring, I even changed to a full 3" and the sound wasnt any better. The Type R delivers all its power through engineering, the sound it makes and the way it feels is like a racing car, which, if youre after fun there is nothing better. Let Golf GTi owners talk about Revo and 300bhp as if youre a Type R owner I know who will be having more fun :D

Both me and my prefer the Type R to the RS6 we have, the Audi is far faster although when youre in the driving seat after a smile on your face the Civic is the way to go!
 

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Sounds good, but some of the others excel in the twisties too, like the megane for example
You're thinking of buying a renault...DONT. The meganes have endless problems.

I was thinking about getting one before i bought my EP3, so glad i bought the EP3, loved it that much i bought another fast n/a car with my FN2.
 

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Sounds good, but some of the others excel in the twisties too, like the megane for example
Have you watched the video of the Megane going round the Ring? I've never seen anything look so out of control - only a race car driver could get that thing round a track fast. If you or I tried we'd torque steer off at the first bend and explode in flames.

I've had my FN2 on the track and it was nothing short of amazing, the amount of grip and speed you can carry through the bends is amazing and its got just the right amount of power and delivery method where you dont loose alot in wheel spins or torque steer. I was passing new Clio Sport's as I was able to carry so much speed through the bends it didnt matter that I lacked power on the straights.
 

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Guitaralmond pretty much summed it all up.

Its very rewarding to drive. If you do want some extra power then its also fairly tunable, put on a flashpro tune and it will keep up with the mentioned hot hathes too on the straights.
 

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Guitaralmond pretty much summed it all up.

Its very rewarding to drive. If you do want some extra power then its also fairly tunable, put on a flashpro tune and it will keep up with the mentioned hot hathes too on the straights.
I agree with everything but the tunable part.... You have to spent thousands to get tiny gains. One of those other hot hatches with a Turbo a £500 remap would get you 50+bhp
 

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Power of dreams my man ;)

CTR is a drivers car, it is built for the driver, to be driven, anyone can drive in straight lines, but the CTR delivers its raw power in a savage fashion, keep it (stock) above 5000rpm and it'll keep you entertained like no other.

And what S3 you buying that's the same price as an FN2????
 

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I had the RS Megane for 2 years, it is quick especially with a remap at about £300 and it does go round corners....Quick but!!! the experience of driving is as some say boring not to mention the interior which is bland to say the least!! as for the ST Focus which my wife has, I would sum it up as a refined fast hatch as much as its comfy and nice inside and easy to drive.... but the CTR is harder to drive in respect of gear changes and lack of torque but ITS MUCH MORE FUN WHEN YOU GET IT RIGHT.... its engine note is awesome and close gear changes are awesome and it feels more of a racing car...:D:D :driver::driver:


o and when you test the VXR Astra... check out the torque steer on full acceleration ..
 

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I was in the same boat as considering what to get.I went for a test drive or sat in all the cars you mentioned and I ended up with a CW Type R. You have to make your own mind up but for me all the others just felt bland. The interior of the Type R was more to my tastes as well it just felt faster sitting on the forecourt than an S3 :)

Good luck on the hunt for the right car, your the only person who really knows what you want so make a good educated choice and try them all out.
 

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CTR is the best one for hooning. The others are just fast hatchbacks. Plus the FN2 is most likely the last of the N/A screamers. If it's a car that you will drive on long journeys everyday you might want to consider some of the others.
 
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