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Hi can anyone shed some light if decatting the 1.8 and a few other mods and remapping could make much power gains ? Keen to see what could be made of it and if it's been done
 

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Remap is about 4-5bhp and costs about £400, decat wont give much more. There's a guy on the facepage group that did a remap and he didnt even post the gains because they were soo small. You'd need to go down the route of bigger injectors, decat and a remap, its really not worth the £800+ it will cost you. Pick up another head(or use yours), get it ported and gas flowed then go down the injectors, remap etc and youl get reasonable gains but you'll be well into 4 figures for the pleasure.
 

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Would be aswell just buying the type r at that rate eh? Have u got the type r or just the 1.8 ?
 

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Could always go to TDI and turbo it 240-260bhp
For the price of putting a turbo on the 1.8 correctly, you could buy two or three Type R's.

The engine will need forging, and then bigger injectors, maybe even a custom intake manifold and then tuning the car on a dyno. You'd be looking at about £6,000-£10,000 to properly turbo it.

Of course you could just bolt a turbo on it and go flat out, but the engine will blow after a short while. It'd start losing compression almost immediately of hitting the turbo boost.

It tells me you don't know much about vehicles or how to correctly get high power out of them. It isn't a cheap endeavour to make a stock vehicle run double the stock power. I wouldn't waste my time trying to squeeze power out of a mundane 1.8 engine. Not when they have a very robust K20 engine, which has infinite safe modifications to up the power.

The only reason I could see you not wanting a Type R is high insurance costs, in that case your modifications to a 1.8 will cost double what it'd be to insure a stock Type R. And if you don't wish to declare your modifications, even a non fault collision will see your insurance void. And if it does happen, then you'll also be charged with insurance fraud which will decrease your insurers to choose from and put your premiums up. They can void your insurance over window tints, insurance is nothing more than a business if they can worm out and force you to pay out of your pocket via court, then they will.

My friend was recorded on the telephone about his accident, they asked him what shoes he was wearing and he said his "work shoes." He was doing garden work in his back garden and referred to them as work shoes. As a result they used the voice recording to void his policy as he had socialising and pleasure on his insurance policy. I think he has like a £5,000 debt with the insurance company which he has to pay off each month.

As for your original post regarding a decat. Don't waste your time, you won't find an MOT station in the UK willing to pass your vehicle with a decat. The one I used to use was a friend of mine, VOSA have had such a hard clamp down on all garages they're doing undercover stings on most. They wait around the station for a car to come out and bring it back in and inspect the car themselves. It's a custodial sentence for issuing sure passes now.
Most MOT stations will let very little slip for close friends.

Not many MOT stations are risking their livelihood and 6+ months in jail for someone to make their car a bit faster.
 

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For the price of putting a turbo on the 1.8 correctly, you could buy two or three Type R's.

The engine will need forging, and then bigger injectors, maybe even a custom intake manifold and then tuning the car on a dyno. You'd be looking at about £6,000-£10,000 to properly turbo it.

Of course you could just bolt a turbo on it and go flat out, but the engine will blow after a short while. It'd start losing compression almost immediately of hitting the turbo boost.

It tells me you don't know much about vehicles or how to correctly get high power out of them. It isn't a cheap endeavour to make a stock vehicle run double the stock power. I wouldn't waste my time trying to squeeze power out of a mundane 1.8 engine. Not when they have a very robust K20 engine, which has infinite safe modifications to up the power.

The only reason I could see you not wanting a Type R is high insurance costs, in that case your modifications to a 1.8 will cost double what it'd be to insure a stock Type R. And if you don't wish to declare your modifications, even a non fault collision will see your insurance void. And if it does happen, then you'll also be charged with insurance fraud which will decrease your insurers to choose from and put your premiums up. They can void your insurance over window tints, insurance is nothing more than a business if they can worm out and force you to pay out of your pocket via court, then they will.

My friend was recorded on the telephone about his accident, they asked him what shoes he was wearing and he said his "work shoes." He was doing garden work in his back garden and referred to them as work shoes. As a result they used the voice recording to void his policy as he had socialising and pleasure on his insurance policy. I think he has like a £5,000 debt with the insurance company which he has to pay off each month.

As for your original post regarding a decat. Don't waste your time, you won't find an MOT station in the UK willing to pass your vehicle with a decat. The one I used to use was a friend of mine, VOSA have had such a hard clamp down on all garages they're doing undercover stings on most. They wait around the station for a car to come out and bring it back in and inspect the car themselves. It's a custodial sentence for issuing sure passes now.
Most MOT stations will let very little slip for close friends.

Not many MOT stations are risking their livelihood and 6+ months in jail for someone to make their car a bit faster.
My point on the matter was to offer a option what is it with people offering there opinion when it's not needed the amount who have said its not worth it blah blah let people enjoy things who cares if it costs money is it harming you in any way ? Probably not so no need for jumping on the bandwagon the price you pay to turbo a 1.8 will be faster than standard type r go check the price to turbocharge the k20 fn2 and you will see why quite a few people are interested in it! I know your just giving your opinion but it's kinda negative and not needed pal let people do what they want!
 

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turbo a 1.8 will be faster than standard type r go check the price to turbocharge the k20 fn2 and you will see why quite a few people are interested in it!
Yes, it'll be faster than a standard Type R. NOT a modified one. Why waste money on an engine that has little to no tuning capabilities when you can put that money into the K20 (type R engine) and have double the power than what you would have spent on the 1.8?

There's a reason the K20 is used in worldwide for tuning and drag racing, and the 1.8 is never modified other than a remap which isn't worthwhile. The 1.8 was designed to be a daily town car. The Type R was designed to be ragged to within an inch of its life everyday in VTEC.

Just go on YouTube and look at the results of spending £20,000+ on a K20 engine. 600BHP+ Spend the same amount on your 1.8, you'll be lucky to see 350BHP.

You go and sink mad money into your 1.8 daily beater that wasn't designed for speed, and I'll come see you in my 2.2 CDTI with a £250 remap. I bet my diesel will be very close to you, if not ahead of you the whole time. And you've sunk probably thousands to see a marginal gain in power. My little 2.2 is stock with a stage 1 map, £250 for the previous owner.

I'm just advising, you can do as you wish with my advice, you can disagree or agree. That's the benefit of a public forum. If you want to spend money on a vehicle and actually devalue it, and spend more on insurance then go ahead.
Also decatting and making obvious modifications will get the attention of the police, so if you aren't planning on declaring said modifications to your insurer, then I'd be very nice to the police officer pulling you over, because if they start sniffing and see modifications they can and do ring your insurance company at the roadside and ask if you've declared modifications. If you haven't the insurers cancel your policy there & then and the police seize your vehicle. I know people this has happened to, which is one of the many reasons I don't modify my vehicles.

Unless your vehicle is going to strictly be a track vehicle, then decatting has more disadvantages than the 10BHP it improves the power by.
Insurance and not being able to get an MOT being the hardest part. And I know a lot of people in the motor trade, I couldn't get most vehicles passed without emissions being messed with, without parting with a lot of cash.

I'm speaking from personal experience, I used to modify cars, do engine conversions and never tell the insurance, get stopped by the police all the time because I drove like an idiot. Then you realise it's all a waste of time and sell the vehicle you've sunk about £2,000 into for peanuts as it's worth nothing as it's hard to even get it on an MOT. You either get bored of the car, fed up of the police attention or sick of chucking money at it. The increase of power comes at a cost of reliability, my Puma conversion Fiesta burnt about a litre of oil a week.

Times pulled over or spoken to by police in my Fiesta: About 6-10 in two years. My Civic zero. Never got a ticket though.

I also ended up with a modified car when I got rid of my Puma converted Fiesta, I bought a more sensible diesel Fiesta and within a day of ownership I got rear ended by someone on their phone. The Fiesta had bigger wheels from a sport spec model and window tints, within a day of my crash with muscle damage in my back and whiplash, I had to put the vehicle back to stock, and aggravated my injuries. Never again will I have undeclared mods. Oh, did I mention they also void your policy on non-fault accidents with undeclared modifications?
 
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