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Hi guys

Im having the infamous diesel clutch problem on our 07 stype. When we got the car 2 years ago the dealer put a new clutch in but it has started again approx 40k miles later.
Does this mean that it needs a flywheel as well ?
We have been told that if it does need done it would be over £1000 just for the parts and its only when apart that it can be diagnosed. Basically looking at £1500 to sort.. Is this right?
The problem is just manifesting as clutch slip at the moment just on the turbo boost approx 2500-3000 rpm.
If it is as feared does anyone know of a supplier that can come up with a more attractive price for the parts needed ? And is
a solid flywheel available instead of a dual ?

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Johnny
 

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C&G at Leeds advertise on here. I have their 8 paddle clutch and smf, they charged £1000 to supply and fit almost 12 months ago but due to space they have replaced their fitting bays with manufacturing machines so will now only supply kits. My choice was because I was getting a remap from celtic, I do suffer from a little judder occasionally setting off but for the performance increase it's a no brainer.
 

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I see you're in NI. There's a Honda specialist in Dundonald who can do this job a good bit cheaper and he might be worth a shot.
 

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If you have no interest in remapping the car then I'd suggest you stick to the 325 LUK clutch (standard on 2010 models >). Cox motorparts will be able to get you the cheapest 325 clutch. A DMF change would be wise to do at the same time due to labour charges IF the DMF went wrong after you changed the clutch.

You can go for SMF, but you lose the ability to pull away in 1st up a hill just using the accelerator + you'll notice juddering in 1st gear...
 

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Gah!

Picked up my new (to me) 2010 (60 plate) 2.2 ES-T yesterday, and had first chance to give it a good 'blatt' down t'M4 today...noticed that when burying throttle at around 2k RPM in either 5th or 6th gear, then (say 70% of time?), revs will 'surge' up by another 750'ish RPM, for around 2 secs, then die down again to where they 'should be', with no appreciable effect on speedo...vehicle has done 64k miles...I take it this is the infamous 'clutch slippage'.

Since was supplied under the Honda Approved scheme - guess it will shortly be going back to supplying Dealer... :(

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Picked up my new (to me) 2010 (60 plate) 2.2 ES-T yesterday, and had first chance to give it a good 'blatt' down t'M4 today...noticed that when burying throttle at around 2k RPM in either 5th or 6th gear, then (say 70% of time?), revs will 'surge' up by another 750'ish RPM, for around 2 secs, then die down again to where they 'should be', with no appreciable effect on speedo...vehicle has done 64k miles...I take it this is the infamous 'clutch slippage'.

Since was supplied under the Honda Approved scheme - guess it will shortly be going back to supplying Dealer... :(

Hilge

Mine has done this for 3k miles now.... and probably did it before I got it too. Not got any worse.... so it's staying as it is for now!
 

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Why would you want to drive a vehicle with a known fault, costs aside? Albeit, in my case, it's pretty clear that mine was supplied in this state (unless they want to claim it developed inside 24 hrs!), and as Approved Stock - will be looking to Dealer to remedy.

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BTW - anyone know why our vehicles are still seeing these issues, if it's a well understood engineering matter? Surely, if aftermarket uprated parts are available, then Honda could adopt / retrofit these parts instead? Or am I missing something?

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BTW - anyone know why our vehicles are still seeing these issues, if it's a well understood engineering matter? Surely, if aftermarket uprated parts are available, then Honda could adopt / retrofit these parts instead? Or am I missing something?

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A good point, this has been a known issue for many years. Honda has responded to it by modifying the pressure plate twice (300 to 315 to 325) which has helped on the OEM cars. Still not enough on mapped cars.
Pity they couldn't sort out a redesigned one made with a stronger cover & diaphragm.
 

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Why would you want to drive a vehicle with a known fault, costs aside? Albeit, in my case, it's pretty clear that mine was supplied in this state (unless they want to claim it developed inside 24 hrs!), and as Approved Stock - will be looking to Dealer to remedy.
Clutch slippage on the i-CTDi can come and go... the problem is usually poor clamping strength in the pressure plate, which the self-adjusting mechanism can often correct for after a period. Sometimes the clutch will fully recover and then go on for years... mine did!

Or perhaps cavalrystu is saving up for a new clutch?

More info here... Slipping clutch - Civinfo Wiki

BTW - anyone know why our vehicles are still seeing these issues, if it's a well understood engineering matter? Surely, if aftermarket uprated parts are available, then Honda could adopt / retrofit these parts instead? Or am I missing something?
It is a well-known and understood problem, as I have hopefully explained. Over the life of the 2.2 i-CTDi Honda issued two upgraded clutch assemblies... the last (and reasonably fit-for-purpose) version (the '325' version) was fitted to vehicles made during 2010.
 

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Dealer has invited me to bring in this pm - "workshop say there's an adjustment they can make, taking around 30 mins..."

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Hmmmm - mine IS a 2010 MY.

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But when was it made? I'm not sure exactly when the 325 clutch started being fitted in production, only that it was 2010.

The 325 clutch wasn't perfect... they still fail.
 

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Dealer has invited me to bring in this pm - "workshop say there's an adjustment they can make, taking around 30 mins..."

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I am not aware of any adjustment that can be made... pretty sure there isn't one. Make sure they explain to you EXACTLY what they're going to do. They may just 'treat it harshly' in an attempt to shock the self-adjusters into action (this can be successful).
 

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But when was it made? I'm not sure exactly when the 325 clutch started being fitted in production, only that it was 2010.

The 325 clutch wasn't perfect... they still fail.
Do find it odd that on an otherwise well-engineered model, Honda would let such a well-documented issue arise/live on.

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I am not aware of any adjustment that can be made... pretty sure there isn't one. Make sure they explain to you EXACTLY what they're going to do. They may just 'treat it harshly' in an attempt to shock the self-adjusters into action (this can be successful).
Thanks. Also will ask them to come out for a spin after said 'adjustment'.

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Do find it odd that on an otherwise well-engineered model, Honda would let such a well-documented issue arise/live on.

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They did allow some extended warranty claims up to 7 years / 125k miles... particularly for those with FHSH.
 

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Mine has done this for 3k miles now.... and probably did it before I got it too. Not got any worse.... so it's staying as it is for now!
Mine does exactly the same....I would have thought that a dmf would only need replacing after a catastrophic failure. I accept that it would incur a few hundred pounds of extra labour if it was replaced as a single item after a new clutch was fitted, but there must also be a case of ' if it ain't broke, don't fix it'. It must be possible to examine and diagnose dmf failure on clutch disassembly, so the decision could be taken to replace at that point.
 
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