[mrreach_69]

Right.....after having my stage 1 map from premier tuning & now having my cg clutch fitted I recently mentioned to F6had that I'd pay him a visit for the stage 2. But after a thread the other week where Costel was considering his map modified for EGR off......It got me thinking. If this was done successfully - is this something that could be offered to other customers (not sure if it treads on anyones toes as I believe RS tuning developed Costels original map).

Sorry this thread is directed at a limited few but just wanted to weigh up the options.

 

[Ben GT]

I know this thread isn't for my attention but to clarify;
Are you wondering re: premier taking off the EGR on Coste1ls current map and then taking the map and re-using it?

If so;
1) yes massively stepping on toes of others and
2) it wouldn't work anyway. Lee's map is completely custom based on the mods he has in place and unless you are running a like for like set up I'm guessing it'll be pretty much useless

My two pence anyway

 

[mrreach_69]

No probs ben - yes that is what I was thinking. But I do have a front mounted Intercooler (admittedly slightly smaller). Didn't think costel had any other engine mods?

 

[F6HAD]

I think I already said quite publicly, we would not do this. It's not about doubting others work, it's actually more about being comfortable with each and every parameter we've adjusted and knowing why we've adjusted it.

Again, said it before - the EGR OFF is a complex map which differs in many ways from the stock EGR ON stage 1 and 2 maps. lots of parameters inc emissions control, fuelling etc have been adjusted to achieve the right EGR OFF setting files.

It sounds to me that you are looking for a custom Stage 3 to take advantage of your FMIC and clutch. That's fine, and we did something similarly with Trevor's CRV and a few other (non member) Accord's and Civic's now. You're looking at a £300+ dyno tune charge at our workshop in Leeds.

Hope that helps.

 

[Trevor7979]

Erm, your options are quite straight forward as I see them.

Talk to F6rad about putting on the Stage 2 EGR delete map, or if you want to explore
a custom map on the rollers a bit of development work was put in on my car exploting
even stronger gains.
Will make driving your Civic in the wet interesting!

 

[coste1l]

yup thats the crack!

 

[spiderpiguk]

Wet driving is very interesting even with my stage 2, I need to have my vsa light on my Christmas tree with the amount it flashes!

 

[mrreach_69]

Ok cheers guys - maybe I should just stick to stage 2 & not be so greedy. Just wanted to get the most out of it after spending the extra money on the FMIC

Sorry F6had I just re-read your post to Lee on the other thread - obviously wasn't paying full attention 1st time around :facepalm:

Is there any reason why a standard stage 3 map couldn't be developed for cars fitted with fmic - or is there too much variation between engine tolerances etc?

 

[coste1l]

no reason! it would be a custom tweak to the stage 2 and is usually a per hour cost rather than a fixed price

 

[F6HAD]

^^ yeah pretty much mate, I'm not going to say it has to be bespoked each and every time. The same principles apply to all our maps. They are specific to the software revision running on the vehicle, hence the reason we can offer a perfect mobile tuning service.

If/when we tune yours, I can let the tuner know it has an FMIC and he will know what parameters have some further room for adjustment in them. Personally I don't think a dyno tune is necessary on a stock Civic with an FMIC - but some customers just want to know exactly what their car is making, and that's fine.

 

[griffian]

^^ yeah pretty much mate, I'm not going to say it has to be bespoked each and every time. The same principles apply to all our maps. They are specific to the software revision running on the vehicle, hence the reason we can offer a perfect mobile tuning service.

If/when we tune yours, I can let the tuner know it has an FMIC and he will know what parameters have some further room for adjustment in them. Personally I don't think a dyno tune is necessary on a stock Civic with an FMIC - but some customers just want to know exactly what their car is making, and that's fine.

Will a ramair mod and fmic need to be custom tuned then due to more air flow and overboosting as relic has pointed out?

 

[coste1l]

from what mick shared with me that ramair mod needs a custom tune!

 

[F6HAD]

I'm not familiar with your ramair mod guys. Does the size of the MAF tube increase as part of the mod i.e. is it physically drawing in a higher volume of air than the MAF housing was designed to take?

 

[griffian]

I'm not familiar with your ramair mod guys. Does the size of the MAF tube increase as part of the mod i.e. is it physically drawing in a higher volume of air than the MAF housing was designed to take?

It is just a 2.5" hose going from the front fog lamp then increasing to 3" to go into the original air box with oem filter thus increasing the flow through and increasing torque and power.

 

[mrreach_69]

^^ yeah pretty much mate, I'm not going to say it has to be bespoked each and every time. The same principles apply to all our maps. They are specific to the software revision running on the vehicle, hence the reason we can offer a perfect mobile tuning service.

If/when we tune yours, I can let the tuner know it has an FMIC and he will know what parameters have some further room for adjustment in them. Personally I don't think a dyno tune is necessary on a stock Civic with an FMIC - but some customers just want to know exactly what their car is making, and that's fine.

That sounds great to me mate. I'm sorta looking for a balance between cost & knowing its been optimised a little better so this sounds perfect. I'll definitely pay you a visit in January when the clutch has bedded in

 

[F6HAD]

It is just a 2.5" hose going from the front fog lamp then increasing to 3" to go into the original air box with oem filter thus increasing the flow through and increasing torque and power.

Sorry mate but I'm not sure I understand. Is the MAF still in its orignal housing? the actual volume of air going into the engine is dictated to by the quite specific size of the MAF housing and actual limitations of the MAF (some also have intake temp sensors on too). You may be getting better airflow through your mod, but unless you know something I don't about induction (and you may well do as I'm no expert) then the MAF housing is still the bottleneck and I don't believe it will be drawing in more air than the MAF can cope with.

But I'm happy to be corrected on this if you know better.

^^ Rich - sure mate, whenever you are ready bud.

 

[griffian]

Sorry mate but I'm not sure I understand. Is the MAF still in its orignal housing? the actual volume of air going into the engine is dictated to by the quite specific size of the MAF housing and actual limitations of the MAF (some also have intake temp sensors on too). You may be getting better airflow through your mod, but unless you know something I don't about induction (and you may well do as I'm no expert) then the MAF housing is still the bottleneck and I don't believe it will be drawing in more air than the MAF can cope with.

But I'm happy to be corrected on this if you know better.

^^ Rich - sure mate, whenever you are ready bud.

Sorry to confuse you mate, yes it is the original maf in its housing the only difference in mod is that the new 2.5 to 3" ducting is fed from fog light into original oem airbox instead of the original way.

So airflow is now forced into airbox.

Hope this makes sense?

 

[Trevor7979]

Just like on the design of the mk2 CRV, but that has also a bigger airbox and more efficient filter as well.
On rolling road data collected found and compared to Civic's it allowed the engine to draw air more freely giving stronger torque outputs.

Helped with inlet temps as well.

 

[F6HAD]

I guess we'd have to see it on the dyno and take some logs to see what's actually going before deciding. Otherwise it's a guessing game, and that's never a good approach to tuning.