sounds like a lot of jobsworthing going on or garages looking for work.
Good afternoon I wonder if you could possibly assist me.
I am a moderator at civinfo.com. We are a Honda Civic forum covering mainly 2005-present day Honda Civics. The core of our membership are Generation 8, 2005-2011, Civics.
I come to you with an issue that has affected 2 of our members lately that hopefully you can clear up. Both our member cars came equipped from the Factory with High Intensity Discharge Headlights. These headlights are Reflector Lens headlights. The issue is both members cars have failed the MOT because in the eyes of the MOT Tester its was a "Conversation" when it is not. One member has gone to huge expense of having his car "retrofitted" with non factory fitted halogen Headlights. There will be no way to adjust the height of the headlights from the inside of the car, as factory HID's use height adjusters on the front and rear axle to correct their height levels.
Civics are not the only older cars to use Reflector Lens HID's from the Factory, so this cant be just effecting Honda Civics. MOT testers appear to be applying the MOT special notice 01-21: headlamp conversions, entirely wrongly.
I have suggested to both parties to fill in an MOT claim form. What else would you suggest?
Hero, thank you!Email sent.
Why not send Honda UK an Email?Hero, thank you!
I've also just sent you a PM with some photos and my cars details.
I wish I had went down the MOT appeal route at the time but in classic fashion, me and the girlfriend were having an argument so she just paid to get the problem off our plate.
Foolish in hindsight.
However I should note the garage I used was a chain (the dreaded one) and have passed/fobbed me off to national customer service. Sounds like the penny has dropped and they've realise the mistake. Promised an update on Tuesday.
Thats because really it is, its just a different insert to hold the bulb. I have never come across any aftermarket HID kit that used a D2R bulb, they are all H7 bulbs. Vectra C's HID headlight was exactly the same. Only cars with Bi-Xenon headlights use a single HID bulb for dipped and main beam. On Bi-Xenon headlights the deflector flap lifts up to expose the bulb as a full beam. Again Vectra C was a HID bulb dipped and a Single Halogen main beam, unless fitted with AFL and them it was a Bi-Xenon unit.from what he was saying he said the unit itself looks like a halogen headlight.....he also thought it strange that the dipped beam was HID yet full beam was halogen.
Glad you got there in the end.had to argue my case for half an hour but get there in the end!!
he even resorted to phoning up Honda/parts and DVSA and still couldn't make his mind up!!
i said he's obliged to give me the benefit of doubt if he's unsure.
i showed him the orange stickers on the lens caps and said there no evidence of any conversion, no extra wires, ballast box etc.
from what he was saying he said the unit itself looks like a halogen headlight, i think maybe because it's an older type of design that newer types?
he also thought it strange that the dipped beam was HID yet full beam was halogen.
xenon/HID/LED/halogen.......all very confusing lol
Thank you for your email enquiry dated 1 April 2021, concerning HID lights.
The failure 'Light source and lamp not compatible' only refers to halogen units which have been converted to use HID or LED bulbs.
It does not refer to complete replacement headlamp units which may be constructed with HID of LED light sources.
If a complete headlamp unit has been replaced with a unit that was manufactured with HID or LED light sources, these must not be failed for 'Light source and lamp not compatible' but must meet all other requirements detailed in section 4 of the manual specific to the type fitted at the time of test.
If car has incorrectly failed an MOT test they have the option to complete a VT17 appeal form which is available from any MOT testing station, or by clicking here
Alternatively, they can ring the DVSA Customer Service Centre on 0300 123 9000 who will be able to advise them further.
They must appeal within 14 working days of the test and we will require a full test fee from them. We will pass the details to your nearest DVSA Office who will offer an appointment within 5 working days for an examiner to recheck the vehicle and if the appeal is successful, some or all of the test fee may be refunded. If in their opinion the vehicle should have been issued with a certificate, then appropriate action will be taken against the garage and tester. However, DVSA cannot authorise any compensation or remuneration as a result of any dispute arising from this procedure, as this would be a civil matter between them and the garage.
If they unable to go through the appeals process because they are either outside of the time limit or have had the vehicle repaired, if you can supply us with the registrations we will pass on the details you have provided to the Regional Intelligence Unit who may use this information for further investigation.
I hope this information has assisted you with your enquiry, but if you have any further questions please do not hesitate to contact us again.
kind regards, Christine | Customer Service Centre Agent
This is great - thank you so much for following this up!
If you read that email the DVSA sent me it says,They are still claiming my car was rightly failed for being converted, and frankly doing the classic Halfords thing of avoiding the issue entirely and sending us astray.
So taking this at face value, and irrespective of your case, as long as the light unit is an HID, as long as levelers are fitted, they could not fail the car anyway. Stick to your guns on this, get your money back and make Halfords return your car to the way it was.If a complete headlamp unit has been replaced with a unit that was manufactured with HID or LED light sources, these must not be failed for 'Light source and lamp not compatible' but must meet all other requirements detailed in section 4 of the manual specific to the type fitted at the time of test.