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Over the past week my Civic's air con has felt 'poor' but until today it wasn't very hot so I think I noticed how bad it is. There's 'some' level of cooling, but it's like 10% of what it should be. When I used to hold my hand in front of the vent when it was on full blast, it would feel very cold, now it's just 'a bit cooler'. I looked at the condenser under the bonnet with a torch and no visible 'stone damage'. Is this likely to be the known service bulletin issue?
It genuinely worries me how many people are having issues with their Aircon. I bought my FK8 a little over 2 months ago and I'm not sure if it's blowing cold enough.
When yours did work, was it freezing cold air? Mines blowing cool air (wouldn't say it's very cold). Sometimes when I'm at a red light or just stopped it blows only mildly cool so curious as to how cold these should actually get when working.
 

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I got my aircon regassed by the dealership 2 months ago, and it should be blowing arctic freezing air anything below 20C, even when you're stopped(assuming auto stop/start doesn't turn off the engine) but mine slowly got less cold in that period. I think it's normal for the AC to not be as cold over a period of 2-3 years, but if you had it regassed before that, then potentially there's a leak in the system that will need to be fixed. I think they check by adding a UV dye to the loop to check where the leaks are coming from.
Mines definitely not blowing that cold and from the service records I don't see that it's ever been regassed in its nearly 4 years. I'll have to schedule a visit to Honda. Thanks mate 馃憤
 

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If you've had your car for 4 years and now it's just blowing cool but now cold that could be normal. Mine was blowing warm air even on lowest setting.

From what I've read, its normal to see a loss of 10% of the AC gas annually. So your car might not have a problem and just require a normal regass which won't be free.
I just recently bought it from Honda as a used approved vehicle, it has a fhsh but nothing about regassing. Hopefully it just needs that done and there's nothing wrong with it. It's somewhat alarming how many 10th gen owners have Aircon issues though!
 

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Is there any copy or Service Bulletin number I can refer to when I take my car in? I do detect that they'll be treating this is 'just another regas' so want to be well armed. If it was a regas I don't think the drop in performance would be so fast (a matter of weeks). It suggests refrigerant leak, possibly due to this condenser issue. Christ this has been the most unreliable car I've ever had.
If you do find a copy of the service bulletin I'd love one too, just incase my dealership tries to go down the same route. I'll have a look and see if I can find it
 

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I followed up my 'call centre appointment booking' by phoning the dealership and asking to speak to someone in service, when they ask is it to book your car in I said no it's a technical enquiry. I then got through to someone that straight away pulled up my details, and after explaining to them the symptoms advised me approximate times to diagnose (about an hour tops), then they'll order the condenser which usually takes a week, then 2-3 hours to fit. I've got his name, so I will ensure I speak to him when the car goes in! We shouldn't have to 'protect our wallets' from sales hungry dealerships. I'm not sure what other manufacturers dealerships are like, but I really am done with Honda after this. It's spent the best part of 2 months in the dealership, excluding servicing, since I bought it (2.5 years ago). It's 'great' that there's warranty, but christ how long have Honda made cars for, and the amount of 'bugs' with the 10th gen Civic is poor to say the least. If it was a 'first gen Tesla' I could forgive them, they should know better.
Sounds like you're well prepared mate. I know the feeling and trust me while your experience isnt acceptable it's still far better than with some other manufacturers. I've owned a VW and Mercedes, VW dealerships seem like they couldn't care less about fixing anything and Mercedes wanted to charge me ludicrous money for even basic things (how does 拢750 for a basic oil and filter change sound? 馃槅)

Honestly the best thing is to find a good caring and honest garage and go there, I'm super lucky I've found a mechanic that genuinely cares and charges such honest prices for the work.
The only reason I'm going to Honda is because I've got a 4 year extended warranty but for anything out of warranty or after the 4 years I'll be going to my local garage. I find that most dealerships are unfortunately crap.

Let us know how you get on and if everything goes smoothly 馃憤
 

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How much does it cost for a condenser? I had my car regassed and sanitised last year and it was dead within 48 hours, I complained to the garage and they informed me it was fine when it left the garage.
Not sure how much it would cost to replace my FK8 condenser but I did replace the condenser in my FN2 at a local garage with a non OEM part and I believe if I remember correctly it was 拢150 without labour, or somewhere in that range I think. Did it over a year ago and its still blowing freezing cold air. Mine was hit one too many times with rocks and was leaky.
Sounds like your garage was talking a load of sh!t mate
 

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Took my Civic in today, and after 40 minutes of diagnosis it was confirmed that the condenser was at fault, and that Honda had extended the warranty period on this item.

It goes in for replacement in two weeks time.
Oh boy, another warranty claim for these condensers! Is there any explanation as to why they seem to all be failing so soon? Does it simply leak?
It's really unlike Honda to have such an issue like this
 

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I used to think 'Honda didn't have issues like anything', but this car has completely undone that reputation in my experience. From what I understand on reading various posts on the internet, the condenser is a part made by a third party, and they were made to an insufficient standard so over time the refrigerant corrodes through the walls of the condenser, leaking out all it.

There's mixed stories as well as to whether a Honda dealership 'admits' the fault is covered by an extended Honda warranty on the component. My initial contact led to me being sold an air conditioning re-gas! If I didn't know a little bit about cars, I would have gone along with it, then paid for a regas, no doubt to find the issue return very quickly.
It's definitely a shame and hard to understand how they could have made such a mistake. Remind me again, was your Aircon blowing lukewarm air or was it still blowing somewhat cool air?
I've booked mine in for next week and I want to make sure if it is the condenser that I won't simply pay for a regass that won't solve anything. Trying to prepare myself as much as possible lol, I hate dealing with dealerships, the car is only three and a half years old.
 

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Mine is blowing cool, slightly on the middle vents, and room temperature on the side vents.

If you perhaps say you鈥檙e aware that there鈥檚 a known issue with the condenser leaking refrigerant, and ask whether that could that be checked? It should highlight your not someone to be 鈥榮old鈥 too. There is a Honda procedure where they fill the aircon system with refrigerant that contains an ultra violet die, then they activate the system and visually check for it escaping.

In my experience even after years of use with expected normal use, refrigerant escapes. But even then your air conditioning will be effective, certainly not from 100% to 10% (or less) in the space of a few months.
Cheers mate, I'll make sure to say that to them when I go 馃憤 I'm just hoping it's a simple regass although all the cars I've owned in the past never needed one after 3 or so years and with all the issues I'm reading I wouldn't be surprised if it was the condenser. I'll just have to wait and see!
 

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My 2018 Type R has been booked in for a new condenser under warranty after it was diagnosed during it鈥檚 third service.
I was told by the service department that a new bulletin came out in June regarding the condensers in this model and it looks as if Honda are now extending the warranty on these condensers for 10 years from date of manufacture, similar to what is happening in America. The only problem is the condensers are on back order such are the number of replacements on order. I have not been able to find out if they have changed the materials of manufacture but I believe the latest refrigerant that is used is very corrosive, hence the reason why these condensers are failing.
If the refrigerant is corrosive then I'd worry how long the entire AC system will be like in years to come :oops:
 

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As far as I understand it the condensers are made by a third party and the problem is that the material used to make the tubes in the original condensers is not up to the job. I also have seen a report that the latest refrigerant that is used in Hondas, which I believe is called 1234y is more corrosive than the previous type used. Honda in America have actually admitted this and sent out letters to owners of all affected cars and they only specify that it is only the tubes in the condensers that is affected. I do not understand why Honda UK have not done the same as all civics at that time were built in Swindon. Obviously Air Con is used more in America and a lot of owners in this country would only find that they had a problem during a hot spell which we do not get very often.
Completely agree, even with mine I only noticed when we had days in excess of 24 Celsius. I've got an appointment with Honda soon and will have them check it out, already told them I'm aware of the condenser issues.

I've found that Honda in the US seems to be more on the ball with admitting issues and getting them fixed. Seen many instances where Honda UK will just flat out ignore problems and refuse to admit issues.
 

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When I reported my situation in my previous post I was told by my dealer that Honda had just issued a bulletin regarding the situation with the condensers and he actually had a Civic in the workshop which was out of warranty but a warranty claim had been approved due to the fact that Honda are apparently extending the warranty on the affected condensers to 10 years. The actual wording was 鈥3 years + 7 years extension from the date of manufacture. My car is booked in this Thursday for the condenser replacement under warranty (2018 Type R). I will speak to the service department and see if I can get this Bulletin number which I believe was issued in June this year.
My 67 plate type R is also going in for this exact issue. Luckily the dealership already knew all about the condenser issues and at least have given me the impression that if it is then they'll cover it under warranty. He was already talking about the wait time for new condensers so hopefully shouldn't be an issue.

If you do find that bulletin, please do share it mate. Could help a few people on here. Seems like not every dealership in the UK is honoring this warranty.
 

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I believe what they do is a leak test using a liquid with an ultraviolet dye to see if there are any leaks. It is actually the condenser tubes that apparently fail and the only way they can get out of warranty replacement is if you have a situation were a stone or similar has caused the damage to the condenser and in that case they will charge you for the repair including the cost of the investigation and all materials used.
I believe this could be very costly as a re-gas itself is about 拢80, condenser about 拢350 plus hourly rate for the job, so you are probably looking at 拢550/拢600 minimum. I actually thought this warranty only covered 2018 cars within a VIN number range but I could be wrong.
Let us know how you get on.
Now I'm worried 馃ぃ But it's going in this Friday so I'll update you guys how it goes!
 

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Hi, just wondered how you got on?
I can confirm Honda are replacing like for like as I checked the lable on my newly fitted condenser and it is identical apart from the manufacture date.
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Well Honda confirmed it needed a new condenser and that it would be replaced under warranty. Unfortunately I was also told this could take a while as there's a backlog of cases. I'm waiting for a phone call from them regarding dates.

That's really not ok if they're just putting the same defective condensers back in....so it will just happen again in a few years? 馃
 

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Just got back from the Honda dealer after the fitted my replacement condenser.
Unfortunately when I asked for the bulletin number issued in June by Honda regarding the Air Con Condensers they said that it was an internal document and they were not permitted to give me that information. On the up side they did tell me that initially only a few cars with certain VIN numbers were included in this warranty but now all Hondas are covered.
I also found out that they are replacing like for like condensers which in my opinion is ridiculous as some cars have had multiple replacements under warranty.
One other thing that I was told that Honda have issued a directive that all used car warranties in future do not include the condensers.
Finally I asked about the warranty on my new condenser and I was told that is covered for 10 years I.e. 3 years manufacturers warranty + another 7 years, similar to what happened in America.
If an upgraded condenser is sourced by Honda in the future it will get a new part number but for now we are stuck with like for like.
I do not think Honda are doing themselves any favours and I was also informed that Toyotas have the same problem as they use the same manufacturer as Honda for their condensers.
Pretty much confirmed my fears, so it basically means that we will all be back at some point with another failed condenser :mad: that means possibly within a year or two.
I'm wondering if there's aftermarket condensers out there that are better than OEM. I might end up just paying a bit more and getting something better instead of continually going back to Honda for new condensers, that's ridiculous. Whoever is making these decisions at Honda should really get sacked.
Cheers for the update though mate 馃憤

I really don't think Honda give a stuff about their customers anymore

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Well these recent issues sure feel like it...how stupid does one have to be to replace one defective part with THE SAME defective part?! My FN2's condenser lasted 13 years before replacement, and it only needed to be replaced due to stone chips and not from a defect. My FK8 isn't even 4 years old and needs a new one, and will probably continue needing new ones every few years!
 

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Firstly I must apolagise, seems I was talking rubbish. Not for the first time I hear you say.
I emailed my local Honda agent this morning ( note agent not main dealer ) to ask for some clarification after they had replaced my condenser in June. They phoned me back within the hour for a chat and to sort things out.
Seems the new condenser was not " like for like " as I said above, but a newer version.
On comparing the label on the new and old condenser again, the part number is indeed different. The old part number was TBC-A011-M1 and the new one is TBC-A020-M1 which is apparently not subject to the faulty manufacturing process of the originals. Should have gone to SpecSavers. My bad, as they say in todays modern parlance.
I then asked about the extended warranty and the service bulletin issued in June. He wasn't totally sure but his understanding of the service bulletin was that the original condensers ( TBC-A011-M1 ) has had the warrant extended to 10 years ( 3 + 7 ) but the new condensers, because they have rectified the manufacturing faults, were not covered beyond the normal warranty. Seems a bit odd but I can kind of understand the thinking.
I was very impressed with the garage in question for their rapid call back, and what seemed like clear and honest answers.

Dave.
No worries mate and thanks for clarifying and explaining it more in depth 馃憤 at least this (hopefully) won't be a recurring problem!
Im glad it's an updated part, means I'll sleep better at night once mine is replaced soon 馃槅
Cheers bud!
 

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I don't think the condensers here are the only concern, apparently over in the States they have had compressor failures too, they could be pretty expensive to replace. In my opinion I would like to see Honda come clean and admit there have been some problems and just warrant the whole AC system for 10 years. The benefit of that is increased consumer confidence that would help stem the decline in sales and may actually help increase them, no doubt a decision like this would gain major coverage in the motoring press similar to that of Toyota's a month or so ago.

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Apparently they have quite a few more issues in the states, I've seen many complain of water getting behind the seals and and causing corrosion around the spark plugs!
 
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