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Hey all,

I'd be looking into mapping my car in the near future and was wondering if anyone could recommend Avon Tuning? I've seen a dyno reading of before and after and I'm seeing an increase of 18hp on the standard car which seems phenomenal. Going by research on here, I'm struggling to see fn2's hit that with a catback exhaust and induction mods nevermind a stock car.

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I'd take it with a large pinch of salt. A remap alone is highly unlikely to see gains of 18bhp - the primary role of a remap on a semi-stock car is to increase mid range torque, not bhp.

Do you have a copy of the printout?
 

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I'd take it with a large pinch of salt. A remap alone is highly unlikely to see gains of 18bhp - the primary role of a remap on a semi-stock car is to increase mid range torque, not bhp.

Do you have a copy of the printout?
Which is why I'm asking to hear from anyone else. It quotes on their website an increase of 18bhp also, they are a reputable tuner so I'm guessing it's legit. Got to remember it's a full on remap of the ECU, not a hondata so could be possible.


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So they won't be using Hondata?
 

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So they won't be using Hondata?
No they are directly tuning the stock ECU. It's an actual remap, as far as I'm aware HONDATA is a piggyback ecu that only lets you change certain parameters.

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I think thats wrong. The stock eco requires a third party program / hardware like Hondata to enable it to be programmed.

Unless there physically opening up the ECU. Which is a risk on its own. and I'm sure Hondata enable almost all features needed for a full custom tune.

otherwise every tuner in the country could do it and Hondata flash pro would be no existent.

I could be wrong but that my impression on the ECU on Hondas in general.
 

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I think thats wrong. The stock eco requires a third party program / hardware like Hondata to enable it to be programmed.

Unless there physically opening up the ECU. Which is a risk on its own. and I'm sure Hondata enable almost all features needed for a full custom tune.

otherwise every tuner in the country could do it and Hondata flash pro would be no existent.

I could be wrong but that my impression on the ECU on Hondas in general.
They are opening it up, definitely not a third party program. I think the whole reason for hondata was because it's easier as you don't need to open the ECU up but it will be a proper remap unlike HONDATA. That is why ECUTEK trumps HONDATA as well as you can adjust all the parameters while tuning. Was just curious to if anyone else has had a remap at Avon as the actual company seems really professional and experienced in tuning a broad range of cars.

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Think you've got it wrong about Hondata. You can get a full remap/Tune using Hondata. it also enables other features like flat foot shifting and Vtec adjustment. and the option of retuning it to stock when your finished or possibly selling the car. And data logging on a daily basis. fault code reading and resetting.

opening up the ECU isn't the best of ideas but it is possible. and I'm sure it won't give your anymore parameters to play with that Hondata won't.

theres a thread on here where someone had this done. not sure who through or who did it but I'm sure it didnt end to promising.


Heres the thread - http://www.civinfo.com/forum/engines-transmission/62147-civic-fn2-ecu-remap-no-hondata-required.html
 

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Not very useful if you want to switch maps or make further adjustments
 

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I agree it's not ideal, I'll definitely not be doing it I'm waiting for an ECUTEK. Was just curious as it seemed an outrageous amount of gains from a stock car ?

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Blimey!! I thought some had hacked my account then!! Hey Higgi08!
Standard maps in a car are typically to suit most environmental conditons and fuel types, hence why you can get gains on Remaps.
With all the tolerances with an engine, each engine has a slightly different output characteristics..

Remaps just tailor to each individual engine, hence increasing the bhp or torque to match that individual engine.

But consider this.. remaps may provide more torque or power, but if continually used it will soon show the next weakest link.. typically the clutch!
 

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I'm not discrediting the tune or company without any evidence to back it up but I'm just going to say that dyno is generous....

155lb-ft pre vtec torque.... gtfo that needs an fd2 pump minimum to achieve close to that. Stock were like 130-5ish. Mine barely makes that now with all my mods lol

I never trust these "generic" tuning companies with their stage 1's etc I'd want a proper RR tune for MY motor not a generic one with trumped up figures.
My mate is looking at the same for his Alfa, promising 30+ bhp on a NA engine with no mods just tuning, told him he'd be better off paying the extra £100 and get it done properly.
 
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