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Merry Christmas to one and all馃巹

Quick question though - has anyone seen a TV commercial for the new Honda Civic or even an advertisement on a bill board or even in a magazine?
 

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One of Hondas odd omissions, they never seem to advertise to get attention. With recent models being voted cars of the year you'd think they'd want to promote it.
 
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One of Hondas odd omissions, they never seem to advertise to get attention. With recent models being voted cars of the year you'd think they'd want to promote it.
It would appear not

I read somewhere that Honda have less than 3% of the UK market and that accounts for over 60% of the European market - it's nice to drive something that it is very unlikely the same car will pull up next to you at the lights
 

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Haven鈥檛 seen a single advert. Then again, an advert is supposed to stimulate demand and they already have long enough wait times.

Since ordering my 11G, I have noticed quite a few 10G (and earlier) in my surrounding area. In fact, when I was originally told there was going to be a 6 month delay on my order, it felt like every other car I saw was a civic of some variety!
 

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Haven鈥檛 seen a single advert. Then again, an advert is supposed to stimulate demand and they already have long enough wait times.

Since ordering my 11G, I have noticed quite a few 10G (and earlier) in my surrounding area. In fact, when I was originally told there was going to be a 6 month delay on my order, it felt like every other car I saw was a civic of some variety!
I like to park next to a Gen 10 Civic when every time I see one in a car park just to be smug - I know I shouldn't but I do
 

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The last tv ad I saw here for Honda was late Oct 2022. LINK. If you blink you'll miss the fraction-of-a-second e-HEV Civic appearances........
Probably not surprising as orders (especially for the 11g Civic) have been suspended until further notice.
However every evening there are multiple ads for just about every other hybrid vehicle you can think of, especially Peugeot/Citroen, Dacia etc. The last month has even seen daily promotional ads for the MG4 and MG-EHS; whether this means they have no problems acquiring chips/semi-conductor components etc for production I have no idea.
 

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The last month has even seen daily promotional ads for the MG4 and MG-EHS; whether this means they have no problems acquiring chips/semi-conductor components etc for production I have no idea.
Consider though, that these Chinese-made pieces of junk are being built with Chinese made chips that lack the quality and longevity of more powerful, complex and expensive ones.

There's a reason why MG cars are cheap. Its because they are excrement.
 

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The last tv ad I saw here for Honda was late Oct 2022. LINK. If you blink you'll miss the fraction-of-a-second e-HEV Civic appearances........
Probably not surprising as orders (especially for the 11g Civic) have been suspended until further notice.
However every evening there are multiple ads for just about every other hybrid vehicle you can think of, especially Peugeot/Citroen, Dacia etc. The last month has even seen daily promotional ads for the MG4 and MG-EHS; whether this means they have no problems acquiring chips/semi-conductor components etc for production I have no idea.
There was an article in one of the UK papers last week where it was confirming that most car manufacturers were giving long delivery times - when I transferred to money from my bank to the dealer last October the girl told me she had a waiting time for her Audi of just on a year
 

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Consider though, that these Chinese-made pieces of junk are being built with Chinese made chips that lack the quality and longevity of more powerful, complex and expensive ones.

There's a reason why MG cars are cheap. Its because they are excrement.
Hmmm! You seem to be implying that the power semiconductor chips in the Chinese MG's are Chinese manufactured (SMIC chips or equivalent). If so I'm not sure that's correct, although if wrong I'll stand to be corrected if you can prove otherwise.
Electronics and microprocessors are not my main speciality, but as far as I understand things in 2023, although Chinese technology giants are making great strides in designing their own chips, when it comes to manufacturing and supply chain they are still heavily dependant on foreign companies.
I read recently that the UK's largest producer of silicon chips has been acquired by Chinese-owned Nexperia. If these and other silicon chips are obtained from other foreign suppliers, Samsung or possibly TSMC manufacture, I'd expect them to be top quality.
I've never driven a recent MG or any Chinese car, but I'd agree that the early YangWang vehicles I looked over were dreadful; ditto for many of the chinese MG Rover car models in terms of reliability. Since then they've changed ownership with significant improvements with their current MG models.
Today I wouldn't buy a Chinese MG, and personaly have no desire to promote them, but I do appreciate honesty, and feel that your comment, "they are excrement", may be based on lack of true experience and in-depth knowledge of their recent cars, and/or a reflection on dislike for most things Chinese. With their past track record of 'copying', it's easy to underestimate current Chinese manufacturing techniques and huge advances in quality control.
I say this after having read and watched quite a number of recent reviews from UK motoring prefessionals, and especially YTube reviews from a number of respected European motoring journalists. The general opinion on the MG models, especially the MG4 is that it's a car that offers a great deal for the price. Like the 11g Civic and most other models, indeed it's not devoid of minor faults, but the general concensus is very positive, backed up by comments of, "It rides and drives very well & comes with a decent standard kit" // "and most importantly has immense residual value"// "what it does for the money, it's probably the only car in the class to recommend" // "more-than-competent entrant in an already busy class, with pricing that's unrivalled,"// "simply unbeatable in it鈥檚 class鈥. This general concensus imho sounds like a fairly palatable 'excrement'.:oops:
In case you're wondering, I'm a Brit, not Chinese - so have no axe to grind, but having worked for a number of years in Hong Kong and mainland China overseeing production in an engineering/quality-assurance role (although not in the automobile industry), the general high quality of work and especially dedication from the workforce in all the technical sectors I've experienced, has to be seen to be believed!
Today and especially within the next 5 years, Chinese electric and hybrid cars will be a major player in Europe and elsewhere, and outperform many that we currently rate as 'the best'. Check back here in 5 years time for confirmation! ;)
 

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Like you, I'm a Brit and have less axe to grind than even you :)

Today I wouldn't buy a Chinese MG, and personaly have no desire to promote them, but I do appreciate honesty, and feel that your comment, "they are excrement", may be based on lack of true experience and in-depth knowledge of their recent cars, and/or a reflection on dislike for most things Chinese.
I've said the same about Toyotas and other brands. Its not specifically negative comments aimed at Chinese brands. Having been in, driven and explored MGs offerings, I can only laugh at the people that elect to part their hard earned money on such barrel scraping rubbish. But, to each their own....

I say this after having read and watched quite a number of recent reviews from UK motoring prefessionals, and especially YTube reviews from a number of respected European motoring journalists. The general opinion on the MG models, especially the MG4 is that it's a car that offers a great deal for the price.
Pseudo motoring journalists are all biased and are paid to be. And for decades, they have given begrudgingly less negative reviews of some Japanese cars through gritted teeth. They are oxygen thieves.

They also sang the praises of the Dacia range....
 
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