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If that 3 series is the 2.0 D it will be about 170 odd bhp (lost track a little) and go like stink,and still return 40-60 mpg.If its a 6 pot diesel ,it will return 40-50 and be the best diesel you probably ever drive.
Mate of mine has a BMW 330d tourer 60 reg 65k miles one owner for sale for 10 grand - good deal?

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Mate of mine has a BMW 330d tourer 60 reg 65k miles one owner for sale for 10 grand - good deal?

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No idea out of touch with prices and would need alot more info if i wasnt lol.Spec makes a big difference to prices on bm's.
 

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Also consider that you do enough miles to justify a diesel, the 1.6 diesel has dpf (diesel particulet filter) and these can clog up if not driven for long enough etc, yes you can do a regeneration but only for so many times before a new dpf is needed?

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Also consider that you do enough miles to justify a diesel, the 1.6 diesel has dpf (diesel particulet filter) and these can clog up if not driven for long enough etc, yes you can do a regeneration but only for so many times before a new dpf is needed?

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I think the DPF issues are blown a bit out of proportion in this day and age. As long as you take the car for a longer run on the weekends or every couple of weeks you shouldn't really have anything to worry about.

I work from home and only make very short trips to the sorting office few times a week Monday to Friday. In total I probably only cover about 20 miles a week, which on the face of it is 100% in petrol territory.

However, almost every weekend we use my car for longer drives out and about probably 20-30 miles more, which gives the dpf a chance to clear out.

I have owned 2 diesels driving this way to which neither have ever given any dpf problems.

It's not so much about how many miles you drive, it's more how you drive when you do.
 

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I think the DPF issues are blown a bit out of proportion in this day and age. As long as you take the car for a longer run on the weekends or every couple of weeks you shouldn't really have anything to worry about.

I work from home and only make very short trips to the sorting office few times a week Monday to Friday. In total I probably only cover about 20 miles a week, which on the face of it is 100% in petrol territory.

However, almost every weekend we use my car for longer drives out and about probably 20-30 miles more, which gives the dpf a chance to clear out.

I have owned 2 diesels driving this way to which neither have ever given any dpf problems.

It's not so much about how many miles you drive, it's more how you drive when you do.
Yes that is a major factor as well cant piss about going 5th in town everywhere for maximum fuel efficiency diesels like to be revved

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Okay so I test drove the 3 series and this is my opinion, it was an m sport 320d.

Obviously a quality car being German nice interior etc, bit bland of a dash though. Still quite a quiet cabin even on the run flats and large alloys. The engine is well refined and packs a decent punch. Unfortunately this is where the good points end for me.

The suspension is just a tad too hard for most roads in the UK, I know it's an m sport so it's supposed to be but I went off that type of setup years ago (call me old at 26 lol).

The worst thing by far about this particular car was that is was an auto. Now this is the first time I have ever driven an auto and I have to say I found it quite, well just boring really. The auto box just doesn't want to change gear at the right time and just wasn't using the high torque of a Diesel engine properly, I found myself changing with the paddles most the time (which are very good). It's almost like it's setup for a petrol engine, which would be ridiculous considering this is BMW.

Also I don't like the low down seating position, I started to get slightly uncomfortable even after half hour driving.

To top it all off it just didn't seem to have any sort of character that you want from a car, maybe it's just me but I really didn't click with it.

I didn't like this car tbh as you can probably tell, but I do have a feeling that if it was manual instead of an auto and also an SE model instead of sports suspension, I think my opinion would be in the other direction, somewhat.

I am going to hopefully test drive a civic and crv today, so I'll give my verdict on those :)

It's funny because the crv in pictures don't really do it justice, it looks so much better in real life, almost sporty.
 

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@trexznl : yes please keep us posted about the remap please! Thinking of doing it myself in two years but there are hardly any testimonies about a 1.6 idtec remap.

For answering the op:
I do think it's a very lively engine. Compared to my 2004 1.7ctdi there's not that dieselcliff at 3500rpm.
On the highway i do regularly shift back from 6th to 5th but with a gearbox like this i don't really mind that much. The pull in 2nd and third is awesome for this engine size. They say it reaches 0-100 in 10.5sec but I often read on this forums it's about a second quicker. Don't know what the real figures are though. The ride is rather harsh. I drove the 10th gen last week and the ride quality is definitely a step up. However i do think it handles rather well which is for me far more important than ridecomfort. And as for practicablity: there is no other car in this segment that does better, not even the larger 10th gen.
 

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@trexznl : yes please keep us posted about the remap please! Thinking of doing it myself in two years but there are hardly any testimonies about a 1.6 idtec remap.

For answering the op:
I do think it's a very lively engine. Compared to my 2004 1.7ctdi there's not that dieselcliff at 3500rpm.
On the highway i do regularly shift back from 6th to 5th but with a gearbox like this i don't really mind that much. The pull in 2nd and third is awesome for this engine size. They say it reaches 0-100 in 10.5sec but I often read on this forums it's about a second quicker. Don't know what the real figures are though. The ride is rather harsh. I drove the 10th gen last week and the ride quality is definitely a step up. However i do think it handles rather well which is for me far more important than ridecomfort. And as for practicablity: there is no other car in this segment that does better, not even the larger 10th gen.
I have to say I'm really not interested in the 10th gen, Honda have lost me on that one. it might have somewhat better ride quality than the 9th gen but it has lost the practicality that brought me to the civic in the first place.

I think they need to look at that again for the facelift, I wouldn't like to think that Honda have got rid of the magic seats for good. If it wasn't for those seats, I wouldn't even be considering a hatchback, it makes all the difference to me.
 

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For whats its worth, I own a face-lift 65 plate Sport and think its a great car.

I came from a 2008 2.2 Idtec Accord Es GT (148 BHP) that had more poke when up and running, but not by that much.

Previously had a 2007 Type R and numerous other fast-ish cars and driven plenty of fast diesels that are great for a run, but I wouldn't want to actually pay for and own.

For my driving (400 miles in the week and taking my wife and 21 month old out at the weekends) the 1.6 is a great fit, its refined and smooth at speed, returns over 60mpg in town and 70 on a run whilst still being punchy when needed.

I, like you was very skeptical about a 1.6D with 118 BHP, before I drove it.

Ride is a bit fidgety over uneven roads, but better than the 8th gen, interior quality is much better.

Handling is pretty good, very similar to my old FN2 to be honest but not as flat, front feels light and nimble when on a B-road.

There is a noticeable lack of power in the lower band, below the turbo there is nothing, meaning changing down is needed when pressing on on going up steep hills. That's no bad thing though as the gearbox is sweet.

The VAG 2.0 Tdi lumps feel nippy and are quicker, but really how often do you race your car? Once up and running the 1.6 feel punchy and doesn't give the impression of being slow. The VAG diesels are also notorious for DPF issues.

One of the quickest "feeling" cars was my old Skoda Fabia VRS tdi130, did 0-60 in 9.5 but the way it delivered its power (like a hammer) meant it felt bloody quick (at least in the very narrow power band) Its down to a lot of factors and on paper, some cars look poor, but in the real world, they make perfect sense.

That said, at your miles, I'd get an old Lexus ISF...
 
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@trexznl : yes please keep us posted about the remap please! Thinking of doing it myself in two years but there are hardly any testimonies about a 1.6 idtec remap.
Will do but have to report disappointing news so far. Apparently the ECU of this car proves notoriously difficult to flash; the tuners have been unable to access it twice now. One of their specialists - handling the 'difficult cases' - is probably going to have a look at it when he's in the country next month. Reportedly he should have better luck which will result in an overal broader knowledge of how these ECUs have to be tamed :wink3: So more on that later.
 

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Okay so I test drove the 3 series and this is my opinion, it was an m sport 320d.

Obviously a quality car being German nice interior etc, bit bland of a dash though. Still quite a quiet cabin even on the run flats and large alloys. The engine is well refined and packs a decent punch. Unfortunately this is where the good points end for me.

The suspension is just a tad too hard for most roads in the UK, I know it's an m sport so it's supposed to be but I went off that type of setup years ago (call me old at 26 lol).

The worst thing by far about this particular car was that is was an auto. Now this is the first time I have ever driven an auto and I have to say I found it quite, well just boring really. The auto box just doesn't want to change gear at the right time and just wasn't using the high torque of a Diesel engine properly, I found myself changing with the paddles most the time (which are very good). It's almost like it's setup for a petrol engine, which would be ridiculous considering this is BMW.

Also I don't like the low down seating position, I started to get slightly uncomfortable even after half hour driving.

To top it all off it just didn't seem to have any sort of character that you want from a car, maybe it's just me but I really didn't click with it.

I didn't like this car tbh as you can probably tell, but I do have a feeling that if it was manual instead of an auto and also an SE model instead of sports suspension, I think my opinion would be in the other direction, somewhat.

I am going to hopefully test drive a civic and crv today, so I'll give my verdict on those :)

It's funny because the crv in pictures don't really do it justice, it looks so much better in real life, almost sporty.
Sounds like you got the worst example of 3 series to try you could have.I sold my 335D cos of the auto,unfortunatly due to the torque the 335D only comes in Auto and i dont like them.The 2.0D is not the right engine for an Auto,if there is one.They all suck an extra 5mpg on fuel aswell.
Sport suspension with runflats was never going to fly,its harsh and the RF's have to be ditched although to do it right you then have to start sticking shockers on as it leaves the suspension a little springy and its just not what you should be doing with expensive cars.Low end Bm's are bland,trouble is options are expensive.My 335D had got 10 grands worth of options,its a joke really on a 30 odd grand car.
 

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For whats its worth, I own a face-lift 65 plate Sport and think its a great car.

I came from a 2008 2.2 Idtec Accord Es GT (148 BHP) that had more poke when up and running, but not by that much.

Previously had a 2007 Type R and numerous other fast-ish cars and driven plenty of fast diesels that are great for a run, but I wouldn't want to actually pay for and own.

For my driving (400 miles in the week and taking my wife and 21 month old out at the weekends) the 1.6 is a great fit, its refined and smooth at speed, returns over 60mpg in town and 70 on a run whilst still being punchy when needed.

I, like you was very skeptical about a 1.6D with 118 BHP, before I drove it.

Ride is a bit fidgety over uneven roads, but better than the 8th gen, interior quality is much better.

Handling is pretty good, very similar to my old FN2 to be honest but not as flat, front feels light and nimble when on a B-road.

There is a noticeable lack of power in the lower band, below the turbo there is nothing, meaning changing down is needed when pressing on on going up steep hills. That's no bad thing though as the gearbox is sweet.

The VAG 2.0 Tdi lumps feel nippy and are quicker, but really how often do you race your car? Once up and running the 1.6 feel punchy and doesn't give the impression of being slow. The VAG diesels are also notorious for DPF issues.

One of the quickest "feeling" cars was my old Skoda Fabia VRS tdi130, did 0-60 in 9.5 but the way it delivered its power (like a hammer) meant it felt bloody quick (at least in the very narrow power band) Its down to a lot of factors and on paper, some cars look poor, but in the real world, they make perfect sense.

That said, at your miles, I'd get an old Lexus ISF...
Thanks for your review, although why the Lexus because of my milage lol? :confused:

Sounds like you got the worst example of 3 series to try you could have.I sold my 335D cos of the auto,unfortunatly due to the torque the 335D only comes in Auto and i dont like them.The 2.0D is not the right engine for an Auto,if there is one.They all suck an extra 5mpg on fuel aswell.
Sport suspension with runflats was never going to fly,its harsh and the RF's have to be ditched although to do it right you then have to start sticking shockers on as it leaves the suspension a little springy and its just not what you should be doing with expensive cars.Low end Bm's are bland,trouble is options are expensive.My 335D had got 10 grands worth of options,its a joke really on a 30 odd grand car.
I do agree with softer suspension and a manual box the 3 series would be a much better car. My mrs owns a 116d 1 series SE and I find it to be an excellent car all round, which is mental considering the price difference between the 3 series and the 1 series.

Bear in mind I'm talking about the 3 series touring not the saloon, so they're two completely different cars.
 

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Thanks for your review, although why the Lexus because of my milage lol? :confused:.
If I were doing such low mileage as you suggested (<100 miles per week) I would go petrol and V8 and stop faffing around with "normal" cars. Lexus ISF fits the bill perfectly for me (used to be RS4/6 until I worked out Audi's are designed to slowly disintegrate after the warranty is up)

That's me though, and to be honest I probably wouldn't change my car for anything less than a sub 6 second car, anything else would be hard to justify given the civic is such a good all rounder that costs next to nothing to run.

Although it changes on an daily basis, I do love a good game of Autotrader.
 
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If I were doing such low mileage as you suggested (<100 miles per week) I would go petrol and V8 and stop faffing around with "normal" cars. Lexus ISF fits the bill perfectly for me (used to be RS4/6 until I worked out Audi's are designed to slowly disintegrate after the warranty is up)

That's me though, and to be honest I probably wouldn't change my car for anything less than a sub 6 second car, anything else would be hard to justify given the civic is such a good all rounder that costs next to nothing to run.

Although it changes on an daily basis, I do love a good game of Autotrader.
Haha your like me then on the Autotrader hunt.

Whilst I agree that per week it wouldn't cost me much to run a quick petrol, when it comes to going away on long journeys which I do a lot in the summer I don't want to be paying the cars worth in fuel lol. Also as a dog basically lives in the boot of my car, he wouldn't really appreciate being thrown around with the touch of a throttle.

Anyway I have definitely decided on the Civic SR 1.6 after test driving it the weekend. It's definitely the perfect car for me and I think the power should be acceptable even when carting camping stuff in the rear with the magic seats up.
 

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If I were doing such low mileage as you suggested (<100 miles per week) I would go petrol and V8 and stop faffing around with "normal" cars. Lexus ISF fits the bill perfectly for me (used to be RS4/6 until I worked out Audi's are designed to slowly disintegrate after the warranty is up)

That's me though, and to be honest I probably wouldn't change my car for anything less than a sub 6 second car, anything else would be hard to justify given the civic is such a good all rounder that costs next to nothing to run.

Although it changes on an daily basis, I do love a good game of Autotrader.
^ +1 to this.

Hey, are you my twin! :lol:
 

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^ +1 to this.

Hey, are you my twin! :lol:
LOL, incidentally, my second choice would be a GS450H, although ideally the newer version than yours and in fsport trim...mmmm.
 
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LOL, incidentally, my second choice would be a GS450H, although ideally the newer version than yours and in fsport trim...mmmm.
If money were no object, then I'd have a GS-F #dribble

Sorry for going :eek:fftopic:
 

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Haha your like me then on the Autotrader hunt.

Anyway I have definitely decided on the Civic SR 1.6 after test driving it the weekend. It's definitely the perfect car for me and I think the power should be acceptable even when carting camping stuff in the rear with the magic seats up.
Glad to see you've made the right choice ;-)
 
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