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Is the 1.6 Diesel quick enough?

  • Yes

    Votes: 24 60.0%
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    Votes: 13 32.5%
  • Not sure yet

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Will do but have to report disappointing news so far. Apparently the ECU of this car proves notoriously difficult to flash; the tuners have been unable to access it twice now. One of their specialists - handling the 'difficult cases' - is probably going to have a look at it when he's in the country next month. Reportedly he should have better luck which will result in an overal broader knowledge of how these ECUs have to be tamed :wink3: So more on that later.
Weird, I thought that once it was cracked it shouldn't be a problem anymore. Almost every tuning company offers the ability to remap the 1.6 i-dtec.
But I don't really know that much about remapping so that's why I'm gonna wait at least until the 3year warranty has expired.
 

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I voted No.

I've noticed someone has voted no in the poll. Would be nice to see what their opinion is also.
I voted No but for a very unscientific reason I'm afraid. I've had the 2.2 Dtec on a 2012 civic for about 6 months. I've never owned a Diesel before and until last year wouldn't have entertained one but after driving a few 1.4 TDs Fiat, Hyundai etc. I was a bit more open to the idea. When it came time to buy my next car, I looked at MPG v BHP and needed to justify a big engine to the better half. Drove a 1.6 Si, it was OK, then drove a Seat 2.0 which I was lead to believe had been remapped. I grinned from ear to ear when pushing it, especially up hills. Nearly pulled the trigger but I had appointment with the local Honda dealer later that day, even though the car was £3K more than the Seat (but 5 years newer!) Took the 2.2 ES DTEC out for a spin & it had refinement & power, even with the eco mode on, it was a joy to drive.

Pulling out of stationary traffic I've hit some quick changes, even a little wheel squeal 2nd to 3rd. But now we come to my point, in 5th or 6th there's no drama, in my area there are some very steep hills on the dual carriage way. I can go from 60 to breaking the speed limit in 6th up these hills if I'm not careful but it doesn't feel like it, it's a non event. If I want to feel pushed back in to my seat, I need to be in 4th. I'm looking at remapping or a box after 6 months and that's the 2.2. I can't imagine I'd have kept the 1.6 for longer than a month or 2 before going back to the dealer and saying "I think I've made a mistake!"

Don't get me wrong, they are both great cars but different people want different things from their driving experience >:)
 

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been in the 1.6dtec in crv but was a little underpowered in that but was ok. The car was just too heavy. gets 42-44mpg in the crv. But was very quiet and smooth, needeed to change gears a lot more than the 2.2. having said that, the 2.2 feels very heavy up front.
If it was me i would definitely map it though but good engine. I think compared to the 1.8 the 1.6 would be my choice.
 

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Had to laugh tonight. Almost new 5 series BMW, broken down near my home with AA in attendance....

If only everything in life was as reliable as a Honda Group Car. ;)
I guess you think Bm's are not reliable?

Ive probably covered nearly a million miles in them,i can assure you its bollex and i havnt owned one under 80,000 miles when i got it.

What i can do is compare because i have experience of both and The Civic isnt even on the same page as a good spec BM and keeping on topic,one with a 1.6 in it,no self respecting driver would contemplate one for a moment.Yeh they will get you to ASDA.........

I would even go so further as to say Mondeo man has never had it so good,Even Bread and butter Ford BLIND the civic in almost every way.Dont believe me,go drive one!

I could go on with what is wrong with the Civic but im sure ive said enough on this thread already.

As for new Civics reliability,theres a recent thread on here,their new Civic is undrivable and that is just days old.So sorry i wont be joining in with the sneering,and neither should you!
The fact is,problems CAN and DO occur with ALL new cars!
 

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Having owned 2 8G 1.8's and 9G 1.8 (2012) and a 9G 1.6 (2014) plus regular access to company 2.2 Civics... The 1.6 is the best of the bunch by far.

I am a self respecting driver and experienced, driven many different cars including BMWs and other premimum marques. I'm more than happy to have driven the 1.6!

Can't comment on the 10g, but the market/class they are in, the Civic is a good car, not perfect, but good.

Mondeo man no longer exists, they all drive 3 series now... the most common car in the UK!
 

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For whats its worth, I own a face-lift 65 plate Sport and think its a great car.

I came from a 2008 2.2 Idtec Accord Es GT (148 BHP) that had more poke when up and running, but not by that much.

Previously had a 2007 Type R and numerous other fast-ish cars and driven plenty of fast diesels that are great for a run, but I wouldn't want to actually pay for and own.

For my driving (400 miles in the week and taking my wife and 21 month old out at the weekends) the 1.6 is a great fit, its refined and smooth at speed, returns over 60mpg in town and 70 on a run whilst still being punchy when needed.

I, like you was very skeptical about a 1.6D with 118 BHP, before I drove it.

Ride is a bit fidgety over uneven roads, but better than the 8th gen, interior quality is much better.

Handling is pretty good, very similar to my old FN2 to be honest but not as flat, front feels light and nimble when on a B-road.

There is a noticeable lack of power in the lower band, below the turbo there is nothing, meaning changing down is needed when pressing on on going up steep hills. That's no bad thing though as the gearbox is sweet.

The VAG 2.0 Tdi lumps feel nippy and are quicker, but really how often do you race your car? Once up and running the 1.6 feel punchy and doesn't give the impression of being slow. The VAG diesels are also notorious for DPF issues.

One of the quickest "feeling" cars was my old Skoda Fabia VRS tdi130, did 0-60 in 9.5 but the way it delivered its power (like a hammer) meant it felt bloody quick (at least in the very narrow power band) Its down to a lot of factors and on paper, some cars look poor, but in the real world, they make perfect sense.

That said, at your miles, I'd get an old Lexus ISF...
Nice write up :top:

Would have been interesting if Honda had put the 1.6 160ps engine in the Civic, as the twin turbo version does the issue you mention i.e lower down power. It starts the power low and continues it smoothly across the rev range.

BTW Are you a self respecting driver? ;) :laugh2:
 

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been in the 1.6dtec in crv but was a little underpowered in that but was ok. The car was just too heavy. gets 42-44mpg in the crv. But was very quiet and smooth, needeed to change gears a lot more than the 2.2. having said that, the 2.2 feels very heavy up front.
If it was me i would definitely map it though but good engine. I think compared to the 1.8 the 1.6 would be my choice.
Was it the 2wd version of the CR-V?
 

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I guess you think Bm's are not reliable?

Ive probably covered nearly a million miles in them,i can assure you its bollex and i havnt owned one under 80,000 miles when i got it.

What i can do is compare because i have experience of both and The Civic isnt even on the same page as a good spec BM and keeping on topic,one with a 1.6 in it,no self respecting driver would contemplate one for a moment.Yeh they will get you to ASDA.........

......The fact is,problems CAN and DO occur with ALL new cars!
If it utter bollex, you should tell JD Power then. The world's most respected and largest reliability survery. BMW - 4th from bottom, almost next to Dacia!

156 faults per 100 vehicles compared with an industry average of 113. Honda have dropped below average as well, but only just at 117.

J.D. Power 2016 UK Vehicle Dependability Study | J.D. Power

Image Source JD Power (survey linked above):

 

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If it utter bollex, you should tell JD Power then. The world's most respected and largest reliability survery. BMW - 4th from bottom, almost next to Dacia!

156 faults per 100 vehicles compared with an industry average of 113. Honda have dropped below average as well, but only just at 117.

J.D. Power 2016 UK Vehicle Dependability Study | J.D. Power

Image Source JD Power (survey linked above):

Wow honda seem pretty low in that survey :(

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Having owned 2 8G 1.8's and 9G 1.8 (2012) and a 9G 1.6 (2014) plus regular access to company 2.2 Civics... The 1.6 is the best of the bunch by far.

I am a self respecting driver and experienced, driven many different cars including BMWs and other premimum marques. I'm more than happy to have driven the 1.6!

Can't comment on the 10g, but the market/class they are in, the Civic is a good car, not perfect, but good.

Mondeo man no longer exists, they all drive 3 series now... the most common car in the UK!
Or another word for common,popular :)

You understand what makes a car common dont you? Number of sales,number of people wanting one :) Makes you wonder why dont it if they are all breaking down.

As for Mondeo man,yes in march 2017 8.061 they sold Eu units
Civic 6.409

So if Mondeo man no longer exists...........Well you do the maths!
 

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Or another word for common,popular :)

You understand what makes a car common dont you? Number of sales,number of people wanting one :) Makes you wonder why dont it if they are all breaking down.

As for Mondeo man,yes in march 2017 8.061 they sold Eu units
Civic 6.409

So if Mondeo man no longer exists...........Well you do the maths!
The sterotype Mondeo man no longer exists. Most fleet cars are BMWs, Merc's & Audi's which are cheaper low spec variants which keep the reps happy... Badge snobbery also drives sales ;)

High sales does not necessarily mean something is good..
 

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I've came away from diesels. loved the seat 130 1.9pd engine in my old ibiza. went to a qashqai 1.5 dci horrendous. back to a civic petrol suits me.

However if your doing motorway miles a diesel is good. Had loads of bother with dpf not getting burning the soot,due to round the door trips.

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Diesel issues will be killing them!
Diesel issues? You mean the clutch problems on the older 2.2 CDTI's?

Does the survey take into account cars of all ages, or just newer models?

Are there lot's of issues with the newer 2.2 & 1.6 iDETC's?

A quick search of "1.6 diesel problems" doesn't really show much... just one clutch judder and a couple of frequent regen issues.

A search for 2.2 problems obviously yields more results, but this is to be expected as the engine is much older and as I said, the early CDTI variants had some issues with clutches and cracked manifolds.

EDIT - It takes into account issues in the first 12-36 months of ownership and upon further reading, it seems most issues logged for the majority of manufacturers are relating to premium models and technology i.e In Car entertainment freezing/software problems and Bluetooth connectivity/drop out... Honda's connect system and other tech is probably the real reason why it's getting a low score.

I would guess that the reason that tech is being logged more a Honda dealerships is the fact Honda's do still attract a lot of older buyers who don't get on with the gadgets and quickly assume it's broken.... plus the Connect System is fairly clunky!
 

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Diesel issues? You mean the clutch problems on the older 2.2 CDTI's?

Does the survey take into account cars of all ages, or just newer models?

Are there lot's of issues with the newer 2.2 & 1.6 iDETC's?
I have heard there is a known issue with 1.6, some sensor affecting some of them. Results in a engine management light being lit.

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I've noticed someone has voted no in the poll. Would be nice to see what their opinion is also.
i have 2016 1.6 idtech sport and its terrible, sport is a laugh its slow as a snail, ive a 12 year old diesel mini its twice as fast with 1.6 engine too, nothing but electrical problems, battery low, always, smart charging doesnt work, stopstart never works , thankfully to be honest, infotainment system is an absolute joke, too many problems to mention, low profile tyre make the ride terrible. o2 sensor problems at 26,000 miles and had to replace, constant fishbite misfire that cant be traced. its a nightmare.
really wish i hadnt bought it
 
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