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Hi I was wondering if anyone could help...this is my 1st post!

I have a 2008 Type S GT.
When i apply or release acceleration whilst in gear it can be very jerky in any gear.
And changing gear no matter how much i try to be smooth can be jerky also...

Anyone any ideas how to resolve this??
Honda have said the cluth is fine.

Your help would be greatly appreciated!!:)
 

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Hi and welcome !

Can you give more details about your car? Did you just buy it? How long has it been this way? Mileage? When was last oil change/maintenance? Does this happen when the engine is cold or warm or both? Anything else worth mentioning?
 

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yeah...engine type might help as well ;)
 

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Thanks **!

Its the 1.8 v-tec engine, approx 23000 miles. I bought it 3 weeks ago from a national dealer. It has a full service history with 1 previous owner. Not sure of when last oil change was and happens at both hot and cold. It has been showing these symptoms since i bought it however blamed it on myself getting used to the car.

I always try to be as smooth as possible but has proved difficult.

Any advice welcome!!..:)
 

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+1...this really does not sound good and could be many things you dont want to know about.

If you bought it from a Honda dealer 21 days ago you have 30 days from sale to take it back if you are not happy.

Take it back and say
.......fix it or refund.

Do not accept it back unless you are 100% happy with the fix.

Demand a test drive in another 1.8 to prove its not your imagination
 

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I dont think your car is faulty, i aswell had to get used to the 1.8 engine. The accelarator is very sensitive for a change in pressure. Driving at a relaxed peace with the revs between 2k-3k can result in jerkyness, its the vtec system which sometimes is a bit unsure wether it wants to stay in economy mode or go to normal mode(this depends on your usage of the throttle, try to keep as steady as you can and when you need to speed up, press the throttle gently).
The same with releasing the throttle, this is where i had the most problems with. Crawling in first gear can be a nightmare, the car can sometimes be a raging bull, tossing you forward and backward in the car. Again key is to know how to feather the throttle, the 1.8 is a rather nervous engine in the lower rpm, the vtec system is just too unsure sometimes.
You just need to get more used to the car i think, the same with the shifting, its perfectly possible to do perfect shifts in the 1.8 without concentrating too hard. However shift not so good and the 1.8 unit will thank you with some judders as its pretty low in torque so the engine cannot 'pull' itself through a sloppy gearchange as good as for example the 2.2 unit.
Since your the second owner, the car may also need time to adjust itself too you, i once read that the engine has a program where it kind of recalibrates itself to your driving style (but i'm not sure on that, i've never seen proof of it)
 

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I dont think your car is faulty, i aswell had to get used to the 1.8 engine. The accelarator is very sensitive for a change in pressure. Driving at a relaxed peace with the revs between 2k-3k can result in jerkyness, its the vtec system which sometimes is a bit unsure wether it wants to stay in economy mode or go to normal mode(this depends on your usage of the throttle, try to keep as steady as you can and when you need to speed up, press the throttle gently).
The same with releasing the throttle, this is where i had the most problems with. Crawling in first gear can be a nightmare, the car can sometimes be a raging bull, tossing you forward and backward in the car. Again key is to know how to feather the throttle, the 1.8 is a rather nervous engine in the lower rpm, the vtec system is just too unsure sometimes.
You just need to get more used to the car i think, the same with the shifting, its perfectly possible to do perfect shifts in the 1.8 without concentrating too hard. However shift not so good and the 1.8 unit will thank you with some judders as its pretty low in torque so the engine cannot 'pull' itself through a sloppy gearchange as good as for example the 2.2 unit.
Since your the second owner, the car may also need time to adjust itself too you, i once read that the engine has a program where it kind of recalibrates itself to your driving style (but i'm not sure on that, i've never seen proof of it)

I like whats been said but I dont know if I feel quite so convinced ? lol...

The car is designed to have complete nonces drive it, if my car is kanagooring me about the place and Ive only just bought it, Id take it back for a second opinion from the DealerStealer... Youve driven before so I could hardly imagine its your driving style...if the Stealer proves you wrong, maybe you need some extra lessons?
Everyone from 17 to 99 drives these cars...there shouldnt be a problem, really when you think about it? Youve obviously felt something is wrong enough to post about it??

Get the service manager to come out with you, and to drive it.
Sometimes its the only way to convice them you can forsee/having a problem!

Not sure bout the programming tailoring to your driving habit...
Ive heard the same about the SatNav Voice Activation, im not sure if thats true either...she still thinks "find nearest Indian Restaurant" is "fan speed up" lol
 

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I like whats been said but I dont know if I feel quite so convinced ? lol...

The car is designed to have complete nonces drive it, if my car is kanagooring me about the place and Ive only just bought it, Id take it back for a second opinion from the DealerStealer... Youve driven before so I could hardly imagine its your driving style...if the Stealer proves you wrong, maybe you need some extra lessons?
Everyone from 17 to 99 drives these cars...there shouldnt be a problem, really when you think about it? Youve obviously felt something is wrong enough to post about it??

Get the service manager to come out with you, and to drive it.
Sometimes its the only way to convice them you can forsee/having a problem!

Not sure bout the programming tailoring to your driving habit...
Ive heard the same about the SatNav Voice Activation, im not sure if thats true either...she still thinks "find nearest Indian Restaurant" is "fan speed up" lol
There's nothing wrong with the engine on my car, nor do i need extra driving lessons. My car has been in two times for the jerkyness after i bought it back in 2007. First time the ECU was updated which made a complete difference but it still jerked a bit in first gear when crawling but only occasionally, the car was booked in again and i had the oppurtunity to talk with a honda mechanic (after a short drive) who gave me a very detailed and logical explanation to why the engine could jerk soo much. Recently the only jerk i get is when i floor the car and the cam lobes switch from economy to normal.
Offcourse the threadstarter could have a real issue on his car, i only interpreted it to my experiences with my own car which the describtion seems to match.
So if he's still worried, he should get back!
 

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Thanks for your input everyone!! really appreciate it.

Its slightly comforting tht im not the only one who has had this problem however just hope that a simple ECU update can sort it.

Going back to Honda tommorow...will post how i get on ;)
 

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First time the ECU was updated which made a complete difference but it still jerked a bit in first gear when crawling but only occasionally.....Recently the only jerk i get is when i floor the car and the cam lobes switch from economy to normal.
Hi Woette, just for your info: jerking in 1st (or 2nd) gear is never related to the i-VTEC system as this does only works from 3th gear on.
 

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ive had mine for 3weeks and mine is the same in 1st and mines a 2007 also, i find it hard to pull away smooth and if i do i feel like im gonna stall
 

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I'd get them to have a look at it, I have a 2006 1.8 sport and it doesn't jerk around much, you get a slight hesitation when putting your foot down in some gears, but that's the VTEC going from Economy to Power cam. You also get a hesitation when you've got 6 eco lights on and you put your foot on the gas, that's the fuel cutting back in. If you're coasting, clutch up and with 6 eco lights on (i.e. downhill, engine breaking) no fuel is used, so when you put your foot back on, the car feels slightly jerky. Dunno if it's that you're feeling.
 

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Just out of interest....
Do you 1.8 owners wait for the engine to bite and revs drop before you accellerate and release the clutch the rest of the way.
Or do you give it some revs and then release the clutch gently ?

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Just out of interest....
Do you 1.8 owners wait for the engine to bite and revs drop before you accellerate and release the clutch the rest of the way.
Or do you give it some revs and then release the clutch gently ?

:popcorn2:
Either, depends on my mood. The first option is more of a diesel move. ;)
 

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Just wondered if the juddering depended on how you engaged the clutch ?

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There's nothing wrong with the engine on my car, nor do i need extra driving lessons...
Offcourse the threadstarter could have a real issue on his car, i only interpreted it to my experiences with my own car which the describtion seems to match.
So if he's still worried, he should get back!
Yea I agree ( wasnt having a go bud lol (just in case))
Stealers can sometimes forget how we feel though as they have so many cars to and people to deal with thats all...
Makes me try one though as ive been driving a diesel for near on 6 years now and Im missing some of petrols finesse lol

Good luck, hope you get it sorted!
 

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Hi Woette, just for your info: jerking in 1st (or 2nd) gear is never related to the i-VTEC system as this does only works from 3th gear on.
yeah thats possible, if i remember that mechanics explanation. He was talking about valves closing when releasing the throttle while still in gear and letting the car 'roll on'. In all gears that goes without a problem but in first and second there was something about it which could cause a jerk, but i forgot what, DOH...

And in normal driving i wait for the clutch to bite, then push the throttle in and gently release the clutch pedal. And when going for a faster get away i floor the throttle and just dump the clutch, goes very well but just dont dump the clutch if the revs are already above 4000 rpm. With the gear in first and the clutch up, my revs were going to 7000 yet the car didnt move :eek: Dont think my clutch liked that :facepalm:
 

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yeah thats possible, if i remember that mechanics explanation. He was talking about valves closing when releasing the throttle while still in gear and letting the car 'roll on'. In all gears that goes without a problem but in first and second there was something about it which could cause a jerk, but i forgot what, DOH...

And in normal driving i wait for the clutch to bite, then push the throttle in and gently release the clutch pedal. And when going for a faster get away i floor the throttle and just dump the clutch, goes very well but just dont dump the clutch if the revs are already above 4000 rpm. With the gear in first and the clutch up, my revs were going to 7000 yet the car didnt move :eek: Dont think my clutch liked that :facepalm:

;) think your right :laugh:
I have a similar problem dumping the clutch in 2nd and 3rd with the 2.2.
But my real peeve is the damn torque limited in 1st gear upto 3000rpm.
You bite the clutch floor it and the car poodle along gently until 3000rpm then launches.
Think I should just dump the clutch in 2nd from now on and ignore 1st :facepalm:
 
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