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As a home DIY job, not very practical K, bit it could be done by makers or even a button press routine to switch it on/off. Problem with the latter is that might as well lock/unlock the car with the buttons and do away with the unlocking but perhaps just retain the keyless start.
 

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keyless start is an option on the 10gen, yeah?

anyone seen insurance questions covering keyless start? if so, whats the price difference between keyless and non-keyless versions? i dont think i've ever been asked that on my FK2R or seen questions reguarding keyless entry from the meerkats.


i'd of thought the insurers would be keen to penalise those with keyless if it meant more money for them or to cover a genuinely higher risk. maybe the theft rate is the same, but instead of home break-ins/physical attack to get the physical keys, it's moved to the relay method?


gotta admit, i love keyless entry. last courtesy i had from honda didnt have it and felt like such a faff blipping it to open the doors and putting the key in the ignition.
 

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On the keyless entry thing ... any of you 'married with children' like me?

I'm certain the answer is YES.

Thing is, I'll often get in, waiting for them, but if I don't switch the radio on, etc., after a while, it locks, then deadlocks me in!!
Only way out is to start the car, and it unlocks again.
I'm sure a manufacturer could put a button inside that you press to stop the car autolocking, so it instead waits either for a remote lock command, the key turning or the lock button being pressed. By the same token, for those who want to lock themselves in in dodgy areas, it can be that hard to configure the system so that a lock button press locks the doors but doesn't set the alarm.
 

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I'm sure a manufacturer could put a button inside that you press to stop the car autolocking,
Once you open the driver's door, it is not supposed to autolock. That's what I am going to test tomorrow.
By the same token, for those who want to lock themselves in in dodgy areas, it can be that hard to configure the system so that a lock button press locks the doors but doesn't set the alarm.
They already do that. You can press a button on the door panel, which locks all doors and the boot.

@veehexx. I believe that all the 10Gs have keyless entry/start. However, I could be wrong. I just now that mine has.
 

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Keyed or Keyless, it makes no difference. If these ****s want your car they will take it, one way or another. A garaged car is one less way(obviously) of advertising whats sitting on the drive overnight. In fact I believe(maybe Chris Knott insurance can confirm or deny) that if you have a car parked in a public carpark it brings lower premiums as it means thieves have less chance of knowing what house to hit for a key code, or a physical key.
 

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I disagree DAS as most cars are impregnable to the average thief these days, keyless vulnerability aside, unless the keys are physically stolen.

For the high end pros, there's always a way, but it usually involves dealer key clones and very very high end cars.
 

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Just done some extensive checks on mine.

1. If I unlock the car using the 'handle grab' method or the unlock button on the fob, the car auto relocks after 30 seconds as expected.

2. If I unlock the car with the fob and double press to open the windows a bit, then lock the car, the car auto relocks after 1 min, the windows do not wind up, the car is not deadlocked and reaching in and opening a door sets off the alarm as expected.

3. If I unlock the car, double press to open the window, then drop the keys inside the car, without opening a door, (stupid scenario) the car auto relocks after about a minute and alarms when you reach inside to open the door.

So, on my car, if any door is opened after unlocking it, it does not auto relock.
 

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My Mk9 also has the all unlock/windows open via key fob. I experimented waiting to see if nothing touched it would auto lock and also close windows, auto locked but as you've found out windows remain open. I think this is a poor oversight by Honda.


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Just after I returned home yesterday, my sons got out - collected from 'after school'. then I, and I 'double locked' using the button - presumably deadlocking.

I then decided I would 'try out my test' and handle grab opened the driver's door, entered, closed the door again and sat still - NOTHING else touched.
After a relatively short time - didn't seem like a minute, but wasn't timing - it locked.

I had the fob still in my pocket.

I tried the handle - not budging - locked solid.
I tried the unlock / lock little button on the door rest - no change.

I tried the lever to lock / unlock - no change.

I depressed clutch and footbrake and then pushed 'Start' and it fired up immediately, and unlocked - without issue!!

I could have waited longer, then moved, and had a look to see if it set the 'siren' off - but thought I'd leave it.
I'll mention to the Honda dealership - see what they say - might be interesting.

It doesn't concern me as it appears if I activate something, like the radio, etc., it doesn't seem to activate.

I don't want to push too far, as I could get locked in!!

Al.
 

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Just called the Honda Dealership.

They insist I drop it off for a diagnostic check - will issue courtesy car - need it for a couple of hours.

I've arranged to drop off on 30th November - will advise what they say after that - could be interesting.

I mentioned the PIB o/side front parking sensor which kicks off too frequently which they said they'd look at as well.

Al.
 

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Strange about your O/S beeper. It's mostly the centre ones. My front corner sensors have never false alarmed, but the front ones do when it's wet weather.
 

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I then decided I would 'try out my test' and handle grab opened the driver's door, entered, closed the door again and sat still - NOTHING else touched.
After a relatively short time - didn't seem like a minute, but wasn't timing - it locked.
When you opened the drivers door, did the interior light come on?


Its only the door courtesy light switch on the B pillar that detects if the door opens or not, it could be stuck or broken, thus not detecting the door opening and then auto relocking as if no door has opened.
 

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The courtesy lamps - both map reading front - wasn't looking behind - came on, and dimmed, then it locked simultaneously.

Al.
 

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From another site:

Keyless car crime surged last year as industry experts warned that criminals are embracing new technology to break into vehicles.

Insurers paid out a record £271m in theft claims in the first nine months of this year - a 32 per cent increase on the same period last year, according to the Association for British Insurers.

Malcolm Tarling, of the ABI, said keyless car theft was the 'main driver' of the increase in thefts.

The advent of keyless technology, which requires drivers to use digital fobs instead of keys to unlock a car's door and start its engine, has created security problems for car manufacturers.

Thieves are now using readily available technology to launch so-called 'relay attacks', in which handheld electronic devices are used to amplify the signal being given off by a digital fob from within a victim's house in order to fool a car parked outside into opening its door.

Mr Tarling said car manufacturers were in a constant battle to stay ahead of criminals as they employ increasingly sophisticated technology to break into vehicles.

"The industry recognises that car criminals don't stand still. As cars become better protected, criminals see a challenge to break into them. The sector is always working out how it can ahead."

The statistics, which show an 11 per cent increase in claims settled over the period, suggest a higher number of high-value vehicles being stolen.

Richard Billyeald, chief technical officer at Thatcham Research, told The Telegraph that relay attacks require a certain level of knowledge and are likely to be carried out by gangs who use the technology to target more expensive vehicles.

"Some level of knowledge is required. Where we're seeing this is with organised crime groups. It's not so much opportunistic thefts," he said.

"This is not off-the-shelf kit - this is specialist and bespoke, made from readily available equipment."

Mr Billyeald advised car owners to keep their keys away from the front of their houses - and doors and windows in particular - in order to reduce the likelihood of relay attacks.

"A vehicle is a high-value item and owners need to be sure they're being careful with it. Like all security, there are many layers you can apply. It's about what you do and don't do," he said.
 

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Well ....

That was an interesting arrival home .... !!!

Last thing at work, I verified with the garage that it's covered under Warranty - never know what might be charged these days, but all is covered - nice one.

SUDDENLY, after somebody ... M8TJT actually!! ... mentioned 'it's normally the centre parking sensor when sure enough, that starts kicking off - only occasionally, and with nothing in front, just potentially a little damp with the rain.

Then, I go to the garage, engine off, open door, top up, use the door button to 'single lock' the door, pay, return, open ... drive off - no problem.
I arrive home. As usual, I reverse in, up the drive, park up, declutch, into gear (as usual), brake on, engine off, and ... I can't get out - all locked in. Passenger door as well. I try the levers and buttons - no chance.
I fire up - previously it has unlocked and worked normally - NOT THIS TIME!!

I'm pretty close to the wall, but window down and I get as far as my waist - manage to do one rotation, but not happening!!
GREAT STUFF!!
I fire up again, 'though not necessary, passenger window down, seat back, and ... I'm out.

I try all doors as I would normally do, and ... 100% PERFECT!!

SHALL I?

SHAN'T I?

Yes, I got in, fired up, shut down, got out without problem, all windows up, and all locked up.

Glad I've got a 10G?

TBH - YES - Fantastic car - just a 'glitch'.

Thing is now, can I make it until Friday 30th when it's booked in .... THAT'S THE QUESTION!!

Just taken the wife and family to church - not a single problem - 100% normal - including reversing up, shutting down, locking up.

Al.
 

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shoulda got a video of it for honda. hindsight is 20/20 vision eh? :)
weird one though - never heard of a car locking you in. only locking you out.
 

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Just seeing 2 legs dangling out of the driver's window would have been enough for most - before they crack up!!

Luckily I'm still reasonably lithe for my age, and as stated, made a little more room and wiggled out of the passenger door window without too much of a problem - hopefully no damage either ... despite all I was careful!

Going to be an interesting 10 days ...

Reckon I'll open the door before I switch off from now - might help.

Al.
 
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