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Guys , long time no see !!
jumped in the car today and with no previous problems or warning the car wouldn’t start , starter motor spun but nothing more , bumped it and drove home but now won’t start again, no work has been carried out on the engine or gearbox for several years so I guess it’s just failed ,do I just get a new starter motor or is there anything else I should look at first?
thanks in advance
2007 2.2 ex
 

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Do Honda starters pre-engage or us a bendix? Because the symptoms seem to tally with a sticking bendix gear.
 

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Ive not seen a Bendix starter since my 1977 MK2 Escort Trev, are they still even a thing? We even changed that to a pre-engaged starter by swapping the fly wheel ring gear around.
 

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Hopefully not relevant but I’m running a solid flywheel and cg motorsport 666 clutch , been fitted for 3 or so years.
 

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Oh well starter out and check that then the ring gear, should be pretty easy to spot. Hopefully its just the starter cog thats gone.
 

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Well there you go. If you will get involved in devil worship, what do you expect? 🤣
When it does it, pop it into gear, rock the car forwards or backwards a bit and try again. The reasoning is that if it is the ring gear, rocking the car a bit will rotate the flywheel a bit away from the worn out bit. (Or is that a pre 1970 testing technique Das? :eek:🤣 :love: )

PS. All the "bits" in the above post are different values.
 

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This is why I didn't bother with the lightened flywheel and clutch kit on my derv, a complete waste of money and causes more issues than good. SMF wears your gearbox out quicker as well.

Take the starter motor out, it's usually 3 bolts and look through the hole into the gearbox and see if the flywheel is worn down. If so it's new flywheel job. Personally I'd go back to stock but it's over £900 to do so. Your starter motor can be rebuilt for like £30, I won't bother getting any other electronical device rebuilt however. Nothing but issues, steering pumps are the worst for being rebuilt and failing again, of course the Civic has electric.
 

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As I posted earlier I would say with 99.9% certainty your SMF has lost its teeth.

The 666 kit promised to be awesome and the final solution to slipping clutches with remaps. However, it has a flywheel made of cheese and a pressure plate that's too much for the hydraulics. The pedal weight is ridiculous, every garage my car went in commented that my clutch wasn't right/broken. I modified my clutch pedal after nearly blowing my knee out going around a safari park. Unfortunately you'll get nowhere with CG, the guy you'll speak with is called Mick and is easily the biggest jerk you'll ever have the misfortune of speaking to. They have in the past offered other people whos ring gear failed a replacement SMF at cost provided you don't post anything on forums or social media.
 

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Unfortunately you'll get nowhere with CG, the guy you'll speak with is called Mick and is easily the biggest jerk you'll ever have the misfortune of speaking to. They have in the past offered other people whos ring gear failed a replacement SMF at cost provided you don't post anything on forums or social media.
Same with pretty much any company you go to for faulty goods. I hope you never have the unfortunate pleasure, but try getting a turbo warranty claim. Nearly always the same bull story about you didn't change the oil feed / return and they caused oil starvation. Compressed air and brake cleaner / paraffin should be more than sufficient on the majority.
I gave up on the days of modifying my cars when my Fiesta I did a Puma conversion on just became an unreliable money pit. Pretty much every modification just made the car more hassle to live with. I only lasted a year in it of it being converted. I just do preventative maintenance and regular walk arounds and checks of things.

If I was OP I'd just go back to OEM clutch and DMF - then go back on stage 1 remap. But of course it's going to cost you around £1,500 - you can pick up a 100K miled CDTI for slightly more.
 

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Can easily be done for less than £1k. Clutch and DMF ~£550, flywheel bolts and MTF ~£50 and ~£300 labour.
Pretty much all of the parts merchants were coming back around £900 when I enquired last. You might be able to source a unknown brand name flywheel for cheaper, but I doubt they'll be as good as the big name ones.

ECP want £689.99 for a "Valeo" DMF - £160 for a clutch kit. + 3 Litres of gearbox fluid from Honda about £60. Then labour.

I went down the petrol route after my last CDTI got written off for the very reason of all the expensive repairs upcoming on all the CDTI's. They've lost all resale value, and pumping £3,000 into a diesel on manifold and potential clutch issues is just unfeasible for me. What I'd save in diesel, I'd just spend triple maintaining the diesel.
 

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Genuine Honda clutch kit and LUK DMF is £579 from Cox Honda, they also do 5% off for Civinfo members so £550.05 with discount. These are old cars now with little value so yeah it makes sense not to be throwing money at them. When I'd got fed up of problems with the Civic my Mrs took it on and won't spend a penny on maintenance/servicing, when it dies it dies. It would cost many times the cars value to sort out its list of faults so she loves with them.
 

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Genuine Honda clutch kit and LUK DMF is £579 from Cox Honda, they also do 5% off for Civinfo members so £550.05 with discount.
It's only £579 due to a discount currently ongoing. Otherwise it's £876.97. Also once you go through checkout there's a postage charge.

But yeah, I wouldn't touch another diesel the value is about to drop out the bottom of them as they aren't ULEZ complaint. Hence lots of them being up for sale in the London areas. - To be honest, all the diesels I've owned they've all ended up costing me money on something failing. Injectors, DPF issues, clutches and DMF. I don't think I'd ever own one again.
 

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im the opposite my diesels have been the best most reliable cars ive had
but i do agree and advise some that diesels are no good for short journey people
 

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It's only £579 due to a discount currently ongoing. Otherwise it's £876.97. Also once you go through checkout there's a postage charge.

But yeah, I wouldn't touch another diesel the value is about to drop out the bottom of them as they aren't ULEZ complaint. Hence lots of them being up for sale in the London areas. - To be honest, all the diesels I've owned they've all ended up costing me money on something failing. Injectors, DPF issues, clutches and DMF. I don't think I'd ever own one again.
The £579 price is a bit like the DFS sale, never ending and never actually at the full price.

When the Civic dies my Mrs is fancying a self charging hybrid of some sort, it'll be interesting to see what cars come to market over the next couple of years.

Anyway, we've gone off topic here. Any updates Impo?
 

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Thanks , tbf if it’s anything other than the starter motor then it’s not worth the money , gonna get it to the guys who fitted the smf and clutch and let them look !! I’ll keep you updated !
 
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