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Hi everyone, our Single Mass Flywheel (SMF) is finally here!!!

The pricing is the same as the DMF kit until the end of the year


We are offering fitting at £150 on the first 3 same as we did with the 8 paddle.

So why go for the SMF?

The SMF provides a near unbreakable solution to the 'flimsy' Honda DMF. The very 'Single Mass' nature of the SMF means it does not succumb to the same issues as a DMF and is a realistic long term solution to those running large BHP and torque who want to know they will not have to disassemble the transmission again to replace the Flywheel.

Furthermore as it is a single unit gear changes are quicker giving those who need it major performance increases off the line, at traffic lights and off the grid for those taking it on track days. This represents a real increase in 0-60 time and maximizes all the potential of that remap you spent £300 on!!!

The first thing to be said is that you are buying a competition clutch and flywheel kit. If your looking at this page its safe to say you've remapped your Civic and the increase in power has caused the clutch to slip due to increased torque that the standard Honda set up was not built to take.

As some people have already commented the DMF will send judder through the car, this is the natural repercussion of the competition clutch kit. This judder has always been a matter of interpretation and is always dependant on the state of the car, the driving style and the preference of the driver. Remember one mans pleasure is another mans poison. Early testing has shown there can be some judder with the SMF but it is slight (as with the DMF) and is picked upon heavily by some and goes unnoticed by the majority of people.

Some people have also shown alot of concern for the affect of running a SMF on the gearbox. This dampening has been addressed in that all SMF kits can be purchased with CG Motorsport sprung drive plates as apposed to the OE rigid plates supplied for the DMF.

If you have anymore questions about the SMF please be sure to post them below. In summary the SMF represents the most cost effective solution for those running long term high torque figures. There are a few negatives- as addressed above, but these are the consequences of a competition transmission set-up designed to utilized modern remaps and tuning that are light years ahead of the base drive-train spec of the Civic.

So what clutch to put with the SMF?

As you can see there are a few options of clutch combinations for the Civic, firstly I imagine if your going for the SMF you have already increased power to your Honda. This means you need to upgrade the standard clutch. This is built to take standard power and will be redundant very quickly in a car with increased torque through a remap.
CG Motorsport Exclusive Dual Friction Kit

The Dual Friction kit is the modification of choice for those with 'stage 1' or 'economy' remaps running upto 200BHP or 295lb/ft of torque. Most people chose the Dual Friction kit as it keeps a natural drive feel whilst allowing the power to flow through the transmission. If your wife/girlfriend shares the car some days but you want to know the performance is there for you when up needed this is for you. Its not as fast through the gears as a paddle and is not recommended for those wanting to take their Civic on track days or other performance events.

CG Motorsport Exclusive 8 Paddle Clutch Kit

Designed for Civic customers by Civic customers. The 8 paddle addresses the jumpy on/off nature of the more extreme 6 paddle. Built to take stage 2 remaps (Celtic and Premier Tuning) this kit allows for around 220BHP and 320lb/ft. This kit has been made for the 'typical' Civinfo driver who wants power in their daily driver but does not want that out and out race car feel. If you like to do some real driving and the odd track day this is the clutch for you.

CG Motorsport 6 Paddle Clutch Kit


Made for the real racers out there this is not for the light-hearted. If track days are your thing and you like to get the most out of your drive this is the clutch for you. Designed to take high end stage 3 maps this clutch allows for 240BHP and 350 lbs/ft of torque to be taken through the transmission. If speed matters to you get this kit, you will feel a dramatic increase in 0-60 times, sharp gear changes and a complete change in the drive of the car.



I hope I've answered all the questions. I'm sure more will follow :popcorn:
 

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Thanks Andy that's an excellent post above.

Looks like I'll be getting an 8 paddle and SMF fitted in due course! :)
 

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Like I've said the fitting price is £150 for the first three SMF kits with any clutch.

The cost is £100 to reserve. First 3 depositors will get this price.
 

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Thank you for this. I have one question - does the sprung drive plate then become the weak link due to it's moving parts?
 

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Thank you for this. I have one question - does the sprung drive plate then become the weak link due to it's moving parts?
The drive plate is always the weakest part of the clutch and the use of springs aids the dampening effect on the rest of the transmission, namely the gearbox. So effectively yes but no more so than in any other sprung clutch kit in any other car in the world.
 

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Second question :facepalm: - have you reduced the weight of the SMF? thank you again.
 

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The drive plate is always the weakest part of the clutch and the use of springs aids the dampening effect on the rest of the transmission, namely the gearbox. So effectively yes but no more so than in any other sprung clutch kit in any other car in the world.
At least it will only be the clutch that will need replacement rather than clutch and DMF.
 

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Also are these easy to fit? As in no modifications, goes in like a standard clutch would and any decent mechanic could do it? I dont really fancy a 12+ hour round trip adding a full tank + hotel to the cost.
 

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Also are these easy to fit? As in no modifications, goes in like a standard clutch would and any decent mechanic could do it? I dont really fancy a 12+ hour round trip adding a full tank + hotel to the cost.
Yes there are no modifications and any competent clutch fitter should be able to install it. We are also available on the phone if they get stuck on our dedicated technical support line. 0113 2426359.

It may be a 6 hour drive to us but it would be a awesome drive home. :p
 

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Great post ! Thanks for all the info on the different options, clears up all the q's I had ! No just for my clutch to give haha
 

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Will the clutch slip before the material runs out and the rivets damage the pressure plate and dmf ?
I was going to ask about life expectancy...but the above is the reason why.
It would be nice to have a warning of some kind before the clutch chews up the transmission :D
 

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On the Civic we have made the lining thick enough that if it does slip the rivets will not be left exposed to damage the transmission.

Clutch life is dependent on driving style alone. Some of our paddle kits have been in cars over 5 years.
 

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Second question :facepalm: - have you reduced the weight of the SMF? thank you again.
Chip, missed this one.
Actually they are slightly heavier than the DMF. We decided to do this because as a rule the lighter the fly the noisier the ride, the major benefit of a lightened fly is speed through the gears and we figure you will be getting this with the performance clutch anyways.

With all this in mind we kept the weight on.
 

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Hi Andy,
Wondering if CG have any concerns regarding transmission damage due to changing from DMF to SMF. I am talking about undamped torsional vibration that the DMF may have removed from the input to the gearbox.
Cheers for all the information, this has been very helpful.
 

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Im gutted really i only put my 6 paddle in 2000 miles ago. Just my luck you bring out a smf kit not long after!! :banghead: :mad: :banghead:

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Im gutted really i only put my 6 paddle in 2000 miles ago. Just my luck you bring out a smf kit not long after!! :banghead: :mad: :banghead:

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We use the radial type long travel damper drive plate in our solid flywheel conversions, so you are correct in assuming the damping effect of the dual mass flywheel is removed.

This may have a negative impact on the the engine or gearbox but no more so than is usually applied to it through excess revs and heavy left footed drivers using the DMF set up.

Valeo have used a similar kind of technology over the last decade which we have modified and reapplied for the needs of you Civic drivers.
 

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We use the radial type long travel damper drive plate in our solid flywheel conversions, so you are correct in assuming the damping effect of the dual mass flywheel is removed.

This may have a negative impact on the the engine or gearbox but no more so than is usually applied to it through excess revs and heavy left footed drivers using the DMF set up.

Valeo have used a similar kind of technology over the last decade which we have modified and reapplied for the needs of you Civic drivers.
Looks like im gonna have to save up AGAIN and get the smf. Truely gutted

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Im gutted really i only put my 6 paddle in 2000 miles ago. Just my luck you bring out a smf kit not long after!! :banghead: :mad: :banghead:

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Chill mylesjohn, I have done 55,000 miles with your setup (+ remap) and still going strong (with the odd judder).
 
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