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Hi everyone,
My name is paul and i would greatly appreciate anyones thoughts on my dilemma! I am looking to buy a civic for around £6-6500 with full leather and good spec and do around 6-8000 miles per year mainly school runs/short trips and occassional motorway journeys. I want a car with good mpg around town but good performance when needed. The civic diesel seemed to fit the bill perfectly especially when i found out there was no horrid DPF fitted!
Most peoples reviews on this car praise the smooth powerful engine and mpg. I was sold. However i have been reading peoples horror stories regarding premature clutch failures on the diesel . This coupled with some experts saying diesels are not worth it if you do less than 15000 miles a year have made me question the diesel option at all!
Are these clutch issues/mileage arguments enough to warrant me going for the 1.8 vtec instead which seems to have a good mpg/performance ratio too?
 

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Clutch issues - maybe an issue but remember forums are great places to complain so it's more common to read about problems.

Diesel -(hot debate on any forum) My take is that a diesel is always more efficient than petrol. So whether you do 1,000 miles or 20,000 miles per year there are fuel savings to be made. Like for like a diesel car will cost more to buy, but then it will be worth more when selling comes.

I also find the torque of diesels more relaxing when in town driving like you'll be doing. They are also more efficient when driven on short journeys compared to petrol which waste a lot of fuel warming up the engine then give off more wasted heat.

It's not to say a petrol car wont suit your needs but with ever increase fuel prices diesel increasingly makes senses to me.
 

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I also find the torque of diesels more relaxing when in town driving like you'll be doing. They are also more efficient when driven on short journeys compared to petrol which waste a lot of fuel warming up the engine then give off more wasted heat.

I disagree. In my experience, short trips in diesels see a dip in fuel economy until they warm up. It's a case of a colder engine effecting how efficiently the diesel burns. It's the same effect you see in the winter when fuel economy tends to drop.

As for the recouping the premium for a diesel, that depends on how long you plan to keep the car and the price difference between a diesel and an equivalent petrol.
 

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Hi Paul and welcome to the forum.

Petrol-Diesel you could talk about this subject forever, check out the Wiki section that will give you more info.

Good luck :)
 

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If you look though the forum, it appears that there is a much higher rate of problems with the diesel, clutches, cracked manifolds, various electrical problems, cars that won't start, etc. Pesonally I'd feel safer getting the 1.8 petrol given the very high price of Honda repairs.
 

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As sirkuk has said, much of it depends on the cost difference between the two models used. At the moment diesel is quite a bit more expensive, and this probably isn't set to change in the near future. I'm sure for your estimated annual mileage you can do the sums on that though, to see how it affects your total cost (ie purchase price + running cost).

They are quite different engines (apart from the fuel type!) and I would say drive both to see which suits you. The 1.8 is quite revvy and the 2.2 is very torquey (word?); horses for courses.

I'm sure when you see 'the one' you will know it, and that will then be the fuel type / engine you rave about on here to everyone else (even if it is satans fuel!).

:D:D
 

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as a rough guide diesels do 'about' 25%+ better mpg (i've had both types so i know) If the the second hand car is about the same price to buy, in terms of fuel - diesel would have to be at least 25% more expensive than petrol before petrol comes into the equation. Realistically the costs of running them, after fuel is taken out of the mix, is similar. (you might argue petrol has more to replace over time like plugs, coil packs etc but the argument of cold starting economy is limited. Petrol applies choke, diesel takes slightly longer to get to temp, horses for courses really. If economy is your thing - get a diesel all are great fun.)
 

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Petrol.

You don't seem to do anywhere near enough miles to warrant purchasing a derv, imo. Also, factoring in the running costs and the ridiculous price gap between the two fuels, at the moment, diesel would not be the right choice.

Although there is no DPF present (on UK models) the dervs still need a good long run out every now and again to keep them in good order.

You should also be able to source a newer year 1.8 than 2.2, with the similar spec.

The 1.8 also seems to have a reasonable performance/economy balance, though I've never driven one, in all honesty.

Hello and Welcome, btw! :D
 

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If you want to up the performance then diesel.
If you are happy with perfromance then petrol will handle better.

Both give similar milage around town.
Diesel mpg excels on the motorway cruises.

Test drive.....you have to live with it....so whatever makes you happiest ;)
 
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