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Thinking about trading in for the Focus ST, does anyone else know of anyone who has done this.

At the moment have the CW with flashpro and HKS RSK, the reason for switching to an ST is mainly for more tuning ability at a cheaper cost.

Sometimes I can get in the cw and love it and other times i just think it lacks power.
 

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Thinking about trading in for the Focus ST, does anyone else know of anyone who has done this.

At the moment have the CW with flashpro and HKS RSK, the reason for switching to an ST is mainly for more tuning ability at a cheaper cost.

Sometimes I can get in the cw and love it and other times i just think it lacks power.
The Type R feels faster but they are stock for stock pretty damn close. The R is more of a drivers car, you need to drive it to get the most. ST does that by itsself so in my opinion not an enthausists car.

For 5k you will have a very powerful CTR, with 5k on an ST you could get 500+ however how you going to get it down? The ST is not as well built for handling as the ST and it feels more like a family car than a race car compared to the R.

My friends have STs and with my 223hp they dont stand a chance whatever it is, straight line or track. They cant keep up.

I personally would NEVER change my CTR for a ST but its up to you.

Test drive or borrow a ST for a day or two to see if you can live with it.


Im going to fill up my CTR and get a kebab... peace

Matt =)
 

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The Type R feels faster but they are stock for stock pretty damn close. The R is more of a drivers car, you need to drive it to get the most. ST does that by itsself so in my opinion not an enthausists car.

For 5k you will have a very powerful CTR, with 5k on an ST you could get 500+ however how you going to get it down? The ST is not as well built for handling as the ST and it feels more like a family car than a race car compared to the R.

My friends have STs and with my 223hp they dont stand a chance whatever it is, straight line or track. They cant keep up.

I personally would NEVER change my CTR for a ST but its up to you.

Test drive or borrow a ST for a day or two to see if you can live with it.


Im going to fill up my CTR and get a kebab... peace

Matt =)

I would never spend 5k on mods basically because i cant afford it. My car doesnt have 223bhp only has flashpro and hks rsk, not too sure what that will put out, maybe 210bhp?

My mate has an ST and loves it however i havnt driven one.
Do the STs have LSD's on them?
 

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Thinking about trading in for the Focus ST, does anyone else know of anyone who has done this.

At the moment have the CW with flashpro and HKS RSK, the reason for switching to an ST is mainly for more tuning ability at a cheaper cost.

Sometimes I can get in the cw and love it and other times i just think it lacks power.

Lots of people tune them and have problems with the engine blocks cracking, The newer shape st is a much better looking car IMO than the older model.
The engine note is exciting and the exhaust pops and bangs. GGR Pumabuild pumaspeed are a few companies that are well known specialists for tuning.

My mate has a 60 plate Orange ST and its neck and neck with my FN2 up to around the 120 mark then the st pulls ahead slightly.

If you go for a brand new st they all come with black rims as standard now and if you want silver its an optional upgrade. But once you see them with the black rims you will like it, it looks so much more aggresive.
 

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Are both your cars standard? Its just an idea in my head really. realistically i could get much more out of a focus st.

It wouldnt be a brand new ST probably an 08 plate.
 

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Are both your cars standard? Its just an idea in my head really. realistically i could get much more out of a focus st.

It wouldnt be a brand new ST probably an 08 plate.

Both cars are standard apart from mine having uprated brake pads, we dont race each other around but have had some fun on the mway when its dead at 1am. The Focus has mega torque you will know from driving the civic its a game of dropping gears and knowing your speeds for the vtec to work.

If I had the choice I would prob go for the ST especially with the face lift as its so much fresher looking than the older shape and if you look hard enough for the extra grand you can get a low miles one for less than 14k usually a 08 or 58 plate with 28-32k on the clock.

The mpg he gets on his car is 29.9 mpg and I get 24.5 in the type r, thats similar driving on similar roads etc. But you dont get bucket seats in the st and you dont get a unique futuristic looking spaceship like the civic.

The st2 is prob the best buy, St3 has leather heated seats that cook your turds.lol
 

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well i was thinking ST3 if i did make the chance. its just the fact that a few simple mods that would cost around £1500 could get the ST running at at least 260bhp. i know the figures on the graph isnt everything but they must play their part.

Only thing i dont like about the ST really is the radio lol
 

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Both cars are standard apart from mine having uprated brake pads, we dont race each other around but have had some fun on the mway when its dead at 1am. The Focus has mega torque you will know from driving the civic its a game of dropping gears and knowing your speeds for the vtec to work.

If I had the choice I would prob go for the ST especially with the face lift as its so much fresher looking than the older shape and if you look hard enough for the extra grand you can get a low miles one for less than 14k usually a 08 or 58 plate with 28-32k on the clock.

The mpg he gets on his car is 29.9 mpg and I get 24.5 in the type r, thats similar driving on similar roads etc. But you dont get bucket seats in the st and you dont get a unique futuristic looking spaceship like the civic.

The st2 is prob the best buy, St3 has leather heated seats that cook your turds.lol
ST does not get 30mpg, check out st forums because your friends display must be broken
 

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ST does not get 30mpg, check out st forums because your friends display must be broken

Normal day to day driving on similar roads ie mway dual carriage way yes it does get 29.9mpg Hammers its ass and its sub 18mpg.

I can get the type r to do 40mpg on the mway and 12 down a country lane.

Depends on the roads and manner of driving.
 

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well i was thinking ST3 if i did make the chance. its just the fact that a few simple mods that would cost around £1500 could get the ST running at at least 260bhp. i know the figures on the graph isnt everything but they must play their part.

Only thing i dont like about the ST really is the radio lol
I wouldnt get to wrapped up in figures, look at Mugens FN2 - 237BHP and its faster round a track than a Focus RS.

Its OK saying £1500 would get you 260BHP, but will that get you the suspension and brakes to handle that extra power? The big reason why the FN2 is so hard and expensive to get more power out of it is because its already in such a high state of tune from the factory and the only reason why its so easy to get more power out of the likes of the ST is you just increase the boost. I know myself from past experiences this usually ends in disaster, blown heads, clutches, gear boxes etc.

If I was you I'd be looking at whatever car you go for as a package and not just a power output.

If you've done the RSK and Flashpro why not look at Eibach springs for the FN2 or upgrading the brakes??
 

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The civic is better for driving like a tool because the vtec brings the car to life at high rpm. You can chuck the civic around down a twisty road and heel and toe and maintain the vtec.

The 5 cylinder engine has a lazy NY cab feel.
 

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well personally i think 225bhp from a 2.5 is suh a lazy engine which is why i thought 260bhp would be easy to reach without comprimising reliability specially when there are companies like mountune who work with ford.
 

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The civic is better for driving like a tool because the vtec brings the car to life at high rpm. You can chuck the civic around down a twisty road and heel and toe and maintain the vtec.

The 5 cylinder engine has a lazy NY cab feel.
Being in a NY cab always makes me feel sick!

I've never driven an ST but I cant imagine it being as much fun to drive on country roads as the R is, especially if your in VTEC.
 

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well personally i think 225bhp from a 2.5 is suh a lazy engine which is why i thought 260bhp would be easy to reach without comprimising reliability specially when there are companies like mountune who work with ford.
I guess you could be right, another mate of mine had an ST300 (tuned by Graham Goode Racing) he said the torque steer would almost break your wrist!
 

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I guess you could be right, another mate of mine had an ST300 (tuned by Graham Goode Racing) he said the torque steer would almost break your wrist!
Believe it or not torque steer is why i ruled out the astra VXR. i would imagine a focus ST with a LSD would be a good ride.

how would the ST compare to the CW?

personally i think the handling would not be as good, but this is debatable because the Type R is stiffer and harder can be faster on a tight track but on a fast circuit as Nurburgring is slower.
Regarding the 1/4 mile the Type R is slower being down 25 bhp and lots or torque.
 

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I had the old RS Focus it was great standard but when you up the power to 330 bhp you need AP Racing 6pots, the best tyres you can buy, the oil changed every 6k and a dispoasable income to fork out for bits that break because the car has 50% more power than the day it left the factory. It just becomes unreliable and dissapointing.

I nearly bought an evo 9 before I bought my civic but I decided against it because 250 quid for brake pads and getting shafted on service prices just wasn't me anymore.
Those kind of cars just encourage you to spend spend spend on them.

I much prefer the civic because its reliable drivable and looks very modern. And against a standard st its better.

The inside of the civic is better aswell and thats where you spend your time when your driving.lol
 
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