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shell/bp E10 full fill E5 Super shell bp half tank rinse and repeat. for same reasons as squibble i find its smoother on bp but shell often cheaper. I prefer how the car feels on BP, with Esso it is punchy but sounds rougher if that makes sense, the BP gives best mpg and smoothest pull with E5 or E10 tbh, i prefer E10 as it leaves less carbon on bettys white bum bum :) more efficient burn so cleaner exhaust pipes also with E10.

rocco got asda fuel never tesco had bad experiences in rocco with tesco & their 99 even though it was mapped and set for 98.
 

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Sorry slightly off topic... How did the Auris compare to the Civic? As I considered getting one...
ive driven an auris hybrid before, my dad used to have one, sister has the 1.8 petrol GR? i think is it? that was nippy enough. The hybrid was ok too , as long as it was in sport mode, which kinda defeats purpose :p mile sbetter than the pruis hybrid he had before it <shudders> i hated that souless piece of excrement i would refuse to drive it ever.

i swear he only bought it because he felt guilty buying a 97 bentley brooklands 6.7 biturbo church on wheels as his last car toy, still has the old girl. pruis and auris gone he now has one of those Hybrid lexus Suvs same car as the new Rav4 but the lexus version, same there, fine if you leave in sport mode.

i had one of those GR4 auris sport thing pass me in white yesterday, sounded superb tbh, a right burble as is winged past my R while i dilly dallied to work at 60mph, bless on ya go small stuff :p
 

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The 1.6 MK1 Auris was the direct competitor to the Civic.

Was that or a Mk5 Golf 1.6 FSI but somehow i ended up with the Civic over those two. I just bought the first decent car I saw...

My Dad has a mk5 Golf which is awesomely smooth but has engine issues (lol coil packs), my Civic has no such issues. Trumped by Japanese engineering!
my 2.0 Tsi GT pre-facelift rocco was bombproof 60k miles in 3yr not even disks :) only big thing was the sensor in manifold went a fault in the TFSI units affecting all VAG, £3 sensor, £500 manifold.

mapped to S1 and it was quiet, smooth and went like stink, I took bbad to the Type-rs interior noise when i came back to Civics, took a couple months.
 

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Yeah maybe more luck of the draw by the time stuff gets really old. Have heard of stuff like ancient Peugeots lasting years....
well the old 505 estate conquered africa they reckon the old 7 seater.

speaking of which i saw a white mint 1.9 205 GTI today :) my best mate had a 309 GTI Goodwood 3 door panaroof too, man i wanted that car so bad. it was an unreliable bucket.
 
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Well when I went to Egypt a few years back it was filled with ancient Euro hatches... Anywhere with sun and heat means older stuff just endures as no rust!

Yes I knew someone with a 309 GTi well into the 90s... Haven't seen anything of that era for ages. Even something like a 206 GTi 1.6 is worth a fortune now. Sometimes I wish I tried to keep my old mk1 MR2 or BMW E30.... Then again I'd have needed space to store them until now!
Same with my 72 1302s beetle n 91 corolla gti16 white facelift ...less than 20 AE92 engined gti-16s left in uk mate has a 91 silver/grey one restored same engine as your MK1 MR2 I believe, same era
 
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Ethanol has less energy than petrol, so it makes you go slower and get worse MPG.

Ethanol is hygroscopic so it sucks moisture out of the air and mixes that moisture into your fuel

not corrosive so your engine won’t dissolve but alcohol based fuels should be reserved for race cars who can make use of the properties they can offer. Cars designedto take advantage of ethanol love the stuff but for our normal, boring, run-of-the-mill civics it offers no benefit whatsoever.

phase separation before filling the tank should be the attainable dream that everyone with a car is pushing themselves toward
we aint talking running pure ethanol matey, E10 fuel has 10% ethanol as opposed to the normal 5% in E5?
your talking not even a espresso cup of ethanol (C2H60) in 3 liters of E5 or E10 fuel, older engines have rubber seals which was not designed to endure a higher concentration of ethanol in the fuel line and why most car engines before 2011 (before the worldwide change) are not compatible over a long period.

simple chemistry.

ethanol (in the form of ethane, a gas member of the hydrocarbon family, same as hexane butane and propane gases all from fossil fuels) is found naturally in crude oil which all fossil fuels fuels are made from, they remove the ethanol and add ethanol again later (ethane most commonly in a gaseous state, is ethanol unrefined or "distilled" to create ethanol) with oxygen bonded to it due to the open ended atomic structure of any C2H6 compound to the completing the structure, so no it doesnt technically absorb water, it absorbs oxygen to form water by chemical reaction with atmospheric air, from its unlocked atoms combined with the atmospheric air in the fuel tank. C2H6O and also produces Co2 gas as a by product (its carbon and oxygen the hydrogens gone where, ahh its also decided to grab two oxygen atoms for giggles creating water as the outcome of said reaction., amongst others from the trace elements and additives under combustion. raw petrol and deisel are also hydroscopic to a degree due to their chemical makeup.

We rarely see it post combustion as water has a 100C boiling point to change state of mass, petrol is higherso it escaoes as an invisiblae gas form our tailpipe with other lovelys.

any hydrocarbon fuel is hydroscopic, clue is in the first part of the chemical compound (hydro means hydrogen and carbon based compound, crude oil, there are hundreds of hydrocarbon based compounds and lifeforms, our self included. when all life breaks down to the base elements of hydrogen, carbon, oxygen and other elements, we would also be a decent fuel in a few million years.

Carbon & Hydrogen (basis of the major components of all fossil fuels as its the remains of fossilised trees and dead dinosaurs made from hydrocarbon based lifeforms......), remove the carbon and what does all hydrocarbons break down to and absorb to loose atoms (oxygen with its dual bonds fit perfectly to every 2 carbon atoms, which is the most common element in the universe, Carbon.)....H20 aka water not by water absorption but by chemical reaction with oxygen atoms in the air and its own composition. Carbon is a stable element, sesier for the atoms to bond with oxygen, or Co2 which requires a change of state of matter to a gas, which again takes more energy so it bonds with oxygen more readily and available.
atoms are lazy. as long as its stable it doesnt care what compound its joining as long as it has enough bonds
 
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BS:EN 228 is the standard for fuel in the UK, we have had up to 5% ethanol since 1992.

Nitrile and Viton and are the most commonly used polymers in automotive fuel systems, specifically because they are not soluble in organic hydrocarbons or alcohols.

Point remains, if you really care you’ll. phase separate the ethanol out of your fuel for higher energy density fuel.
Chemistry still tells us that despite higher latent heat of evaporation you still get fewer mpg and fewer bhp without a flex fuel sensor and appropriate mapping which our cars do not have.

Nothing more to say in this thread, I’m out.
We statin the same thing? the worry for some is E10, it's all good mate, I'm not disagreeing with you on E5 ( or at all infact) as I don't know you or know you as a forum user I've met before so apologies if something upset.

no need for upset when that's what the worry for some is in the convo thread, maker says it's ok on a set fuel past a set date, it's ok then...we talking about grandpaw broon, to us or anyone putting fuel in a Honda as it came out of the box from the pump on the UK forecourts,

Appreciate you took time to input and help others in the convo, sorry it upset you.

@moderators seems any discussion with fuel causes upset, probs good idea to close n lock this thread like the other one unfortunately.

Bizarre times
 
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