It's a good question - not helped by the fact that no one (yet!) seems to have actually made anything else tuning wise for the 2.2

Gut feel would say that adding a decent air filter, espec one with forced air, would help - although how much it would help a stock 2.2 is up for debate

I'd also, personally, wonder if bigger / better / moved coolers might help - but we're getting into big bucks then

 

Good Points raised. A bigger intercooler with some kind of remap + freeflow filter would more than likely see a good gain.

 

As a mechanical engineer I am quite happy to stick with the engine as designed.
You have to remember that these units spend million of hours in testing in labs, rolling roads and on tracks.
I'm sure that they have tested to the limit and then backed off 20% to give years of reliable motoring.

I used to have Escort RS Turbo's that I played about with. We managed to get 190bhp from one buy she lasted 4500miles before going into self distruct mode.
A 170bhp version lasted about 15k but my bog standard 140bhp was past 100,000 miles and still went like new.

 

As a mechanical engineer I am quite happy to stick with the engine as designed.
You have to remember that these units spend million of hours in testing in labs, rolling roads and on tracks.
I'm sure that they have tested to the limit and then backed off 20% to give years of reliable motoring.
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Not entirely true. Most modern diesels are capable of much more power, within "mechanical safe" limits. But there's also a commercial and a financial aspect:
Commerical: Very often an engine is put to market while R&D is already working on an upgrade, based upon the previous one. That means minimal investment, and a "new", more performant machine. I wouldn't be surprised if the "new" 2.2 Honda Diesel is an example of this. The 140 PS version we're driving now is Version 1.0.
Financial: In most countries you pay registration en yearly taxes based on engine power. Some diesel engines (eg. BMW) are therefore available in different power-modes, others (Honda) choose an overall favorable power-rating.

K.

PS: Millions of hours? One day has 24 hours. That's 8760 hours in one year. Suppose development of an engine costs 5 years. (Hope they do it faster!) That would mean 114 engines, running simultanously, starting at day one, day in day out, non stop, to get to 1.000.000 hours in 5 years.
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Guys,

My first post here... Still saving money to buy Type-S GT Deep Bronze 2,2 I dream of Maybe sooner than expected...

Anyway returning to subject... What I can advise is to go for a trip to Poland and follow in one Slovak's steps in his cooperation with Masters Tuning. He had his Civic 2,2 re-mapped with similar effects to Superchips. After replacement of intercooler for a bigger one they managed to achieve 216,8 HP (graph below) After fixing some minor faults current power is around 225 HP. Impressive...

After re-map and intercooler swap:

Not to mention that owner wisely decided to change brakes with some serious 8 pistons set... (pictures below, quite big size)


Out of box...

Standard to uprated comparision

On car....

You can't put any smaller wheel than 17" after that upgrade...

Hope you enjoyed and I shared some light on some secrets about dozy power of 2,2 engine

Apologies if you can't understand my English - just finishing night shift after 12 hrs and I am kind of out of this world now [smilie=sadmeh-gb.g:


Take care guys,

Wojtek from York


P.S. Can someone make the pictures smaller, I am too knocked to do it now

[I]Edit by Pottsy: done![/I]

 

Holy crap wleszczynski, that is awesome!
Do you have any pictures of the upgraded intercooler? I wonder where it goes?

 

**** the bed! Is that 455.9 nm!? or have I read that wrongly? and 225 BHP = awesome.

 

Likewise here, also very interested in hearing about the larger intercooler.

 

Well done! Very interesting!

 

Gents,

VTIDAN: Yes you're seeing correct, 455.9 Nm of torque!

Like you enjoyed what you've seen

Will try to gather some more info together with pictures (if there are any)for us... However you've got to be patient as it's holiday season in Poland now...

The only thing I can say for now is that whole secret is in huge turbo fitted in 2,2 as for that size of engine. Add to that fairly easy ECU to remap and you've the effect as described.

Anyway, since I found information given you in my previous post, that's it :idea: my mind is orientated only on Civic - The Spaceship - 2,2 (eventually Accord with same engine).


Watch that space!


Wojtek

 

english is not my native language...
so to be sure that i'm understanding things right:
the turbo fitted on the civic is big, there is a lot of potential?
do you know what kind of turbo it is? like make/modell...

 

necromant: Yes you're right. There is loads of potential in that turbo accordingly to the guy from Masters Tuning in Poland.

I have done some research on Internet and found following info on the turbo fitted on Honda 2,2 Diesel. It's only for Accord, but engine is same in both so presumably turbo is same as well:

Manufacturer: Garret
Turbo Model: GT1752V
Turbo Code: 729125-007
Turbo OEM Code: 18900-RBD-EO10-M2

You ask you get!


Wojtek

 

thx alot, i "googled" for that info a few weeks ago and found nothing...

as for the sports exhausts for diesel engines: here in belgium are VAG diesels with bigger turbos/injectors/intercoolers and so on... 1,9 tdi's with over 200 hp and they use exhausts from

http://www.millteksport.com

the company is from england... as for now they have nothing for hondas... but if a few people are interested and email them... perhaps they make a free flowing ex. system for the civic.

 

Looks like subject is getting more serious and interesting now

 

miltek have a great reputation over here, in the VAG (VW / Audi / Seat etc) owner community

 

how long will the gear box last with all that torque??

 

I have never known a manual gearbox fail as a result of increased torque from an engine. The worst thing a gearbox has to deal with is a clutch dump, which will generate much more load that the original torque tripled. So long as you don't seriously abuse the car by side stepping the clutch, it should be fine.

 

I was warned when I had the engine on my LandRover upgraded (by a very reputable firm) that the clutch life would be reduced - not so much because it wore faster, but because the increased torque will show normal wear that much earlier - in other words - a clutch that is nearing its normal 'end of life' will slip sooner with 250 ft lbs than with 200 ft lbs.

I have had no troubles in over 50000 miles, but I think it was an honest answer!

 

Small supercharger?

 

This is very interesting. Im glad I asked the question

 

Buy A Type R

 

Why more bhp than a tyre r and lot better mpg lol long live the cdti

 

225 bhp cool i would be intersted in the bigger none oem intercooler pics,
well done nice job but its a long way to go from the uk just to have your car tuned when theres plenty of good tuners in the uk. but nice job well done.

 

All right Ladies and Gents, short update on this...

Contacted Masters Tuning asking how is the car since mod has been done in Sep '06. Apparently it has 60000 km on clock now. No problems reported with clutch and any other parts. As stated in my first post, car is currently runing 226 HP.

IC (intercooler) was custom made ad hoc for about 200 pounds by one of radiator repairers in Warsaw. It's core came from some truck (not specified).

When it comes to brakes. They are very efficient, however pads lasted for 5000km when used hard .

I am afraid it will be hard to find out more details without following in that guy's steps with modifications. The proper documentation can be made at that time or at least more accurate info on intercooler collected.

And yes, I have asked if there are any more pictures of the IC installation We shall wait...


Wojtek

 

IWANTACIVIC: Some people travelled to Greece in their Civics and it's much longer journey than to Warsaw...

In fact I can tell you how long it took me last summer to get home - ferry Hull-Rotterdam - 1 night. Left Rotterdam at about 08:30 and about 22:00 was in suburbs of Warsaw. No rush, driving around 120-130 km/h.

You must admit it's not bad at all... And Poland is beautiful country to see as well...

 

anyone talked to miltek?

 

hello!

no new picture? somebody know the pressure of the supercharger with the new intercooler?

thx