[rogp1]

So how did you manage to get the box for £125 It's £149.99 on their website?

Brought off their ebay website for £124.99, there is a discount as normally £149.99

 

[EvilCupCake]

I can tell the extra shove, got it booked in for a dyno next Wed 23rd so keep you posted about the results, going to put blanking plug on and get one on factory setting then one with box on.

So far def worth £125

Sounds great, good price Hope the dyno is going well. Will be interesting to see the results!

 

[rogp1]

Sounds great, good price Hope the dyno is going well. Will be interesting to see the results!

Had the 2 dyno's done got 3 print out graphs, of them done separately and put together on one, will upload them at a later date when I have time.

I have got a K&N panel filter on and where possible I stick to Shell or BP premium diesel.

Using hp and lb ft as measurement units rather than ps and nm the factory claims are 118 hp and 221 lb ft torque.
I got 122 hp and 220 lb ft and after fitting the box got 134 hp and 227 lb ft, pleased with the power but was expecting more torque, however the tuning box was set on the high power setting E, you can simply change it to prioritise low to medium mid range torque on the max torque setting C, will give it a try later.
The raw figures don't tell the whole story you can tell the difference with the way it drives with the box on, up to just over 2000rpm there is no difference on paper but particularly from 3,500rpm on there is much more power and torque available around 15 lb ft at it's widest point, it revved to 4900 rpm and still had 100hp, the map is set for more top end performance however driving it seemed just as good low down too.

They do a Pro boost box for £249.99 which also increases turbo boost which would give higher gains.

For the money I paid I am well pleased with it and economy has improved too, I was getting 46-47 mpg going to work and back and urban driving, now I'm getting 53-54 mpg with a good 10mpg improvement on the motorway.

An interesting diesel comparison chart
1.6 lt 134 hp, 227 lb ft (My I-dtec)
1.9 lt 128 hp, 228 lb ft (VAG unit Mk4 Golf etc)
2.0 lt 138 hp, 236 lb ft (VAG unit Mk5/6 Golf etc)
2.2 lt 138 hp, 251 lb ft (8th gen Civic, now the 1.6 only weighs 1310 kg vs 1409 kg for the type S gt for eg which gives it a better power to weight ratio than the 2.2)

Not bad for a 1.6 plus the superior economy

I bet yours is a rocket ship with 159 hp and 309 lb ft!

 

[EvilCupCake]

That's some great info! Gains are very impressive considering no added boost pressure. I religiously fill up with V-Power as well. Only live five miles from Shell, so I have no excuses not to!

Honestly, my performance starts to drop of rapidly over 4K and I rarely take it over that. All my performance is from 2K to 3.5K but it never fails to put a smile on my face!

I bet yours is a rocket ship with 159 hp and 309 lb ft!

Some insight for you, I was considering having mine de-tuned slightly. The huge spike in torque at just over 2K makes for some slightly unpredictable driving, especially in the wet. I don't even have to put my foot down, just lightly accelerating can cause the tyres to slip, not talking about 1st gear either but 2nd and 3rd gear! If I put my foot down in second in the dry I can get the tyres to spin up! I have Michelin Pilot's so not exactly cheap.

Might have surprised a few people at the lights by now though!

That comparison between diesels is great. Honda did an amazing job with the 1.6 derv as standard.

Let us know how it goes trying different settings.

 

[Nickolodeon]

Questions for Rog and Evil - 2nd gear pull away& Torque

Hi both

Good results Rog, will be interesting to see if the torque setting on the box sees any gains on the torque figures you got from the performance setting.

Evil - meant to ask you has your full remap made your car flexible enough for the 2nd gear pullaway from standstill? The 1.6 is a good engine but I've read others on here a bit disappointed with the totally dead response from 2nd gear at anything like walking pace, necessitating that drop down to 1st at roundabouts, or deal with the consequences of even push bikes gaining on you!

 

[rogp1]

That's some great info! Gains are very impressive considering no added boost pressure. I religiously fill up with V-Power as well. Only live five miles from Shell, so I have no excuses not to!

Honestly, my performance starts to drop of rapidly over 4K and I rarely take it over that. All my performance is from 2K to 3.5K but it never fails to put a smile on my face!



Some insight for you, I was considering having mine de-tuned slightly. The huge spike in torque at just over 2K makes for some slightly unpredictable driving, especially in the wet. I don't even have to put my foot down, just lightly accelerating can cause the tyres to slip, not talking about 1st gear either but 2nd and 3rd gear! If I put my foot down in second in the dry I can get the tyres to spin up! I have Michelin Pilot's so not exactly cheap.

Might have surprised a few people at the lights by now though!

That comparison between diesels is great. Honda did an amazing job with the 1.6 derv as standard.

Let us know how it goes trying different settings.

Yeah tbh I think 309 lb ft is too much torque, as well as what you said above it will also put extra strain on the drivetrain and clutch, I would aim for between 260-280 lb ft max.
They obviously built up the map in stages going by the 7 dyno runs, I think on the 4th one they had around 254 lb ft according to your print out, I presume you didn't take it out for a road test before finalising the remap tune you felt happy with?
Someone else put a dyno up from Celtic tuning and they got a good spread of 156 hp and 257 lb ft

£60 was the total cost of my dyno runs they didn't charge extra for having two done they also did 2-3 runs to get an av consistent reading, I don't think I will have another one done on the torque setting C I will just do a road test and mpg comparison to decide which one I feel is best to leave it on, I'm expecting it will produce 10-15 lb ft more while still giving 125/126 hp.

 

[EvilCupCake]

Evil - meant to ask you has your full remap made your car flexible enough for the 2nd gear pullaway from standstill? The 1.6 is a good engine but I've read others on here a bit disappointed with the totally dead response from 2nd gear at anything like walking pace, necessitating that drop down to 1st at roundabouts, or deal with the consequences of even push bikes gaining on you!

When pulling away in second from a standstill, it complains about it.. a lot. Manages it, but defiantly makes sure I know it hated it!

Have definitely noticed an improvement crawling in second though, seems happy all the way down to 5mph, any slower and I still shift into first.

Yeah tbh I think 309 lb ft is too much torque,

I presume you didn't take it out for a road test before finalising the remap tune you felt happy with?

Hindsight is a wonderful thing... agree its probably too much now. I did take it out after they finished, but didn't get the chance to open it up. Traffic in the area was busy and Id been there 3 hours! Just wanted to get home.

 

[rogp1]

 

[rogp1]

As you can see it starts to gain just over 2000rpm however the main difference is when you get over 3,500 rpm with the higher top end power

 

[rogp1]

Tuning box has got map settings A-E, default is B or C, for economy and low to mid range torque, E is for max power higher up the rev range.

Bloke at Bluespark set it to E and I'm pretty pleased with it, it drives more petrol like with increase power higher up, confirmed by dyno.

Well I tried it on setting C this week for max torque and yes it does what it says the power band is much lower, it's ok from 1000rpm and I can use 4th gear at 30 mph so long as it's not going uphill, basically it will let me use a higher gear at lower revs and you can make good progress without going over 3.5k revs, not tried it on the motorway yet but 6th gear pull at 2000 rpm/70mph should be much improved.

I would say on a day to day basis setting C would be more useful however I'm going to try setting D later this week which might give me the best compromise between the two ie more low down shove than max power setting E while still retaining some higher rev pull.

 

[rogp1]

Been trying the box on D setting these last few days and yes it does seem the best overall setting to use with a good mix of low down torque and power at higher revs.

The bloke at Bluespark has emailed me and after seeing the dyno has very kindly said that if I want to post it back to him he will make further adjustments to improve the map further and if I would like to revisit the dyno centre to compare them, mainly to increase low down torque to go with the higher rev power setting

 

[EvilCupCake]

Thanks for all the info on this rogp1 Turning into a great thread for people [smilie=coolup.gif]

 

[thunt]

Interested to read all this. I have a 2007 2.2 which Celtic Tuning remapped and I've gone through a couple of clutches since.

I've now ordered the 1.6 Civic and noticed Celtic have even more torque on this model than what my 2.2 had, but my only concern doing it again would be the clutch problem.

I wonder if the new 9th gen Civic has a better clutch as I know my current model was supposed to be weak but i didn't want to go down the clutch upgrade route as it's a family car so also wanted an easy/std clutch.

 

[moob]

Interested to read all this. I have a 2007 2.2 which Celtic Tuning remapped and I've gone through a couple of clutches since.

I've now ordered the 1.6 Civic and noticed Celtic have even more torque on this model than what my 2.2 had, but my only concern doing it again would be the clutch problem.

I wonder if the new 9th gen Civic has a better clutch as I know my current model was supposed to be weak but i didn't want to go down the clutch upgrade route as it's a family car so also wanted an easy/std clutch.

Not sure about the clutch - but had mine on Stage 1 remap with approx 155bhp and 310/lb torque. No issues with the clutch - or the MPG and significant pulling power.

£320 without a graph - Quantum Guaranteed map.

 

[the_sig]

Was it Quantum tuning you went with. There's a authorised dealer about half a mile from me. Might pop down and have a word with them

 

[moob]

Was it Quantum tuning you went with. There's a authorised dealer about half a mile from me. Might pop down and have a word with them

Yeah - local guy near me in Kilmarnock.

I went for the 'halfway' map - balance between power/economy.

I'm going back to get a dyno done, just want to see for myself what the actual output is.

 

[the_sig]

Can you upload it once you've got it done. Would be interesting to see before I make a decision

 

[moob]

Can you upload it once you've got it done. Would be interesting to see before I make a decision

Sure

 

[rob.e]

Hello all,

I have a 65 plate SE Plus Civic with a few thousand miles on the clock now.

I have seen lots of interest on this forum and others about remaps for the 1.6 I-DTEC. Specifically the newer(ish) face lift models, undoubtedly due to the more aggressive, sporty looks.

I took the plunge and decided to go for it.. and wow. Quite the difference in driveability and performance. Gains were much higher than expected. Celtic Tuning did a great job.

On the first run, factory settings with half a tank of Shell V-Power, it produced a typical 120bhp and 223 ft/lbs of torque. On the last run they had it up to 159bhp and 309 ft/lbs of torque! Safe map?

0 - 60 times are around the 8 second mark now. As fast, if not faster than the 1.8 I-VTEC petrol version.

6th gear pulls on the motorway are much improved. No longer do I have to shift down to 5th to make a brisk overtake. As for fuel consumption, I can't say I have noticed an improvement, but nor have I see a negative impact. Averaging around 52 - 56 MPG on my usual work rote. If I drive super carefully (slow) I can just about manage 65 MPG.

I'm sure I'll be making edits/adding to this post as I use the car more. I'll answer any questions I can, should I get any opcorn:

Hope this helps someone researching remaps for there 1.6 I-DTEC

Some photos for you to enjoy (hopefully) Always nice to put a face to those performance figures!

The Dyno print out doesn't have the fist run, but dose have the final output show against an earlier tuned run.



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@EvilCupCake - any update on this, assuming you've done some more miles on this since you posted this in '16? Still a fan?

What's your mpg looking like now? Still same as stock or has it improved with miles?

TIA.

 

[flashy]

They haven't posted in over 2 years. This is more recent....

https://www.civinfo.com/forum/engines-transmission-9g/410418-1-6-idtec.html