There's a detailed thread here:

http://www.civinfo.com/forum/buying-dealers-servicing/21300-3dr-5dr-petrol-diesel.html

In summary though:

Price 1.8 i-VTEC SE+ 5d £ 14,805
Price 2.2 i-CTDi SE+ 5d £ 16,077

Extra cost to buy £ 1,272
Saving per 1000 miles £ 7.89

Miles to break even 161,145

Time to break even at 12,000 miles per year 13 years

 

Thanks J_H. I knew it mustve been discussed.

 

Another thread for you..........

http://www.civinfo.com/forum/engines-transmission/16383-why-diesel-so-much-faster-than-petrol.html

 

Just done a comparison of my 1.8 Type S GT with the 2.2 diesel and the results are as follows

Petrol vs Diesel | Running costs - Parker's

There is a single and massive flaw in that calculation. The selling price is not considered. D'oh!

Also, it has petrol at 88.7 and diesel at 100p. The figure for petrol looks right, but not diesel (97.9 around here).

And... what about the difference in servicing costs? Diesel is more expensive...

It's all pretty pointless IMO - you should simply chose the one you prefer to drive. Over a typical ownership period they both cost about the same.

 

There is a single and massive flaw in that calculation. The selling price is not considered. D'oh!

Also, it has petrol at 88.7 and diesel at 100p. The figure for petrol looks right, but not diesel (97.9 around here).

And... what about the difference in servicing costs? Diesel is more expensive...

It's all pretty pointless IMO - you should simply chose the one you prefer to drive. Over a typical ownership period they both cost about the same.

I totally agree!
I have a major benefit with the diesel that because it is over 2.0 litre I get a much higher business mileage rate from my company, and I do quite a lot of business miles.
The upshot is, there are possibly more factors than the comparisons use

 

Good comparison, and I guess it's something worth taking into account, however it does not really show any differences in depreciation between petrol and diesel cars - anyone know if there is a difference?

For a buyer of a car, it's worth thinking about. For company car drivers however the situation would be much different.

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BG

 

Diesels save you money ?

Hundreds of thousands of drivers choosing diesel new cars could be wasting money instead of saving it, according to research by Parker's.

Not new news, but interesting to see it laid out like below ....

Petrol vs Diesel | Running costs - Parker's

 

Only if you run them on Red Derv

 

Two threads merged.

 

sorry no searching

 

I remember debating this before, I think the petrol edges it in the long run with all things considered for the average person.

 

Take the typical buying price and subtract the typical selling price (parkers forget to do this) to work out the cost of ownership. Then add all the servicing and fuel (using real mpg, not manufacturers claimed figures). Add the cost of 23 yorkshire puddings and realise that they are both about the same, and the inaccuracy of all the assumed figures far outweighs the difference between the two, and simply buy the one you think drives the best.

 

Parkers only purpose is to make buyers of petrol cars feel better, as they omit the largest cost element, depreciation. The total cost, over say 3 years, usually works out about the same, as Pottsy says.

 

Rather bold assumption there that both cars achieve the MPG stated by the manufacturer too.

I'm not sure that's certainly the case!

 

I also think one of the main contributing factors is 'thy right foot'...
1 careful old lady who only used her Type R for going to the shops would likely get more than me in a 1.8 VTEC 'enjoying the drive'...
At the end of the day, as a few people have already said, it's about choice. For those who care about cost they will do their research and base it on that but that's their choice. opcorn:

 

Simple really.......

Diesel = Devils fuel

Petrol = Performance fuel

Why do you think fast drivers are called petrol heads? Diesel head does not have the same ring about it.

My other half has a diesel company car and spends her life pining to go back to petrol. Do you have to wear gloves to put petrol in? No!

Do they use Diesel in F1? No!

When you start talking about residual depretiation and cost per mile, it's time to consider what pension scheme gives the best return.......then again, we are Honda drivers. Average age, 92!

There, I've had my rant and even shot myself in the foot. Much better!

 

Diesel = Devils fuel

Petrol = Performance fuel

Why do you think fast drivers are called petrol heads? Diesel head does not have the same ring about it.

My other half has a diesel company car and spends her life pining to go back to petrol. Do you have to wear gloves to put petrol in? No!

Do they use Diesel in F1? No!

When you start talking about residual depretiation and cost per mile, it's time to consider what pension scheme gives the best return.......then again, we are Honda drivers. Average age, 92!!

Diesels been winning at Le Mans have they not ?
To quote Mike Rutherford,respected motoring journalist for the times and auto express etc "there is no reason for anyone no matter what car they need not to buy a diesel" well it was something along these line I can not remember exactly[smilie=cheeky-grin:

 

The fuel smells a bit odd and won't go into my bike, but it doesn't worry me.

Classic...LOL

 

Diesel engines are equal to petrol engines, its just the way they deliver the power which is totally different. Its just personal preference which comes into play. The diesel does have the option of getting better mpg but that is swept away (or almost) by higher tax rates and buying price.
A diesel has the big woosh in the back, i used to love that, drove my dads company cars for years UNTILL i test drove the 1.8 i-VTEC. It is nothing compared to the petrol engines i drove before. It has that howl and such smooth power delivery at high revs. It just makes it a bit more sporty feeling than a diesel imho.

 

If you think a Diesel is a big whosh in the back, try a petrol turbo. No competion!

Still the Devils fuel, despite the usual 'LeMans' arguement dragged out every time I have this debate! ;-)

 

How can you genralise so much ! We are not arguing that petrol engines are good but how you can compare to areas that have so many different engine sizes and combinations is beond me. Tell you what lets hyperthetically turn up at a meet. You turn up in your "turbo" 1.4 tjet fiat 500 and I will turn up in my Audi q7 complete with TDI engine. oh by the way it has a 6 litre v12 containing a 1,000nm of torque. Now lets see who gets the biggest kick in the back.
Audi UK > Experience > Concept Cars > Audi Q7 V12 TDI
What i`m saying is this argument could never end, you could come back and say my dads bigger than yours etc etc.

What you do have to accept is diesels are getting better and better, Porsche are even making diesels ! Porsche Diesel For 2009

So this weekend why not put on your trilby and scarf leave the coal fire burning and let the little wife away from the kitchen sink for half an hour and take her for a go in a modern diesel You never know you might like it . Then you coud come home and have some more fun, ahem "non missionary" if you were feeling really mental .

ps a diesel also won the 2009 Dakar rally oh and came second.

 

On the Tax front, I thought the diesel edges it?

£120/year because it is in a lower band to the 1.8?

 

Crikey RedDervil, you really have got issues!! There is not competition between the two fuels and I wondered how long before the torque figures got thrown at me........

Now, what fuel is used at the top of the racing tree, despite what Porche do (overrated in my view, as are Q7's)?

I prefer something a littel bigger than a 1.4 turbo, but hey, the litte woman can make use of it when I'm not around.......that's when she not washing me smalls and pumpin out another kid.

You'll never change my mind. I'm off to get my sheepskin coats from the cleaners. Maybe I might even let her go on top tonight, but I'll never be sad enough to drive a diesel.

There, I feel so much better......opcorn:

 

Three cars ago I had a Toyota Corolla Compressor, the TSport with a supercharger bolted on. Quick, high revver that screamed to 8,200rpm, not great handling, drank petrol like there's no tomorrow, loads and loads of fun, loved it.

My work moved me and suddenly I had an 80mile round trip on congested roads, in rush hour where my average speed was 37mph. I needed a diesel. Bought an Astra 1.9 cdti (150bhp) with the XP kit. Looked good in black, 18" wheels etc. Sporty? you're having a laugh! Don't get me wrong, a decent car, never missed a beat in 10 months, averaged 50mpg too.

Why did I trade it in for a Type R? Simple, I was bored rigid. It's not that diesel's are slow, there are plenty damn quick ones as others have said, it's the WAY they drive that's just wrong to me. The dynamics of a diesel are just different and not to my driving style or taste.

Winning Le Mans, yes, but only because the rules were altered to allow them entry. It's all change for 2009 because the rules are changing again to bring diesel back onto a level playing field. And it's not the power plant that won Le Man for Audi, it was simply the better car.

Never say never, to coin a phrase but I'll NEVER buy another diesel.

Snert

 

My dads gay!

Can't argue that one...........

 

And so this oft held argument comes full circle (again) and we're back where we always end up. Buy the car that suits you best and which you prefer to drive. One is not better than the other per se, only better for some people but not for others.

 

im glad i bought the diesel! reasonably quick, economic and smooth!

BUT i do miss the sound of my 2.2 vtec prelude! (ps the 1.8 civ sounds rubbish in comparison)


all the wooshy wistly diesel turbo noises just dont sound like a racing engine really!